Interpreting GD on 4way open baffle

pjanecke

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My drivers are open baffle 4 way with 4th order LR xovers. I’m using IIR filters in FIR files and the frequency response is nearly flat. Crossover points are 150, 500, 1800. I haven’t done any allpass or linear filters to flatten phase.
Audibly it sounds great but the GD has me baffled (no pun intended). Any thoughts?


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4th order filters. Or 2nd order. Crossover points. These factors do not affect the lag of one driver relative to another. Therefore, you see that the low-frequency drivers are late relative to the mid-high frequencies.
 

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Can the GD be reduced using all pass filters? If not, is the only way to reduce xover order and or 3way instead of 4way?
 

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Can the GD be reduced
There are two ways. Move the fastest drivers physically away from the listener. Thus, the low-frequency drivers will be on the same time line with the mid-high frequencies. The second is to pass the hi-mid frequency signal through a sound processor that can delay. Filters introduce delays, but the value of these delays is very small. That is, you need to delay the mid-high by 50 ms, and any filter can give no more than 3 ms.
 

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There are two ways. Move the fastest drivers physically away from the listener. Thus, the low-frequency drivers will be on the same time line with the mid-high frequencies. The second is to pass the hi-mid frequency signal through a sound processor that can delay. Filters introduce delays, but the value of these delays is very small. That is, you need to delay the mid-high by 50 ms, and any filter can give no more than 3 ms.
Thx - I tried a 50ms delay FIR and all I got was an echoed hi end. I tried moving the midbass speakers closer - no change.
Finally I tried using a REW measurement sweep file stored in Roon just like my music is. The 50ms GD delay disappeared!
Prevously I was routing the measurecent sweep from REW laptop out usb to toslink and into toslink usb on RooExtend RooPlay Pi where it gets played in Roon as a radio station. Thats how I listen to the occasional analog source like LP’s aor SACD’s. But obviously the signal encounters a massive non- linearity or phase delay in mid bass with that approach.

Thanks for your help - it helped me get accurate GD measurements and vindicate my OB 4way speakers!
 

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Glad to hear. It seemed to me that a delay of 50 ms was not typical for woofers. But I didn’t speculate because I don’t know the details. Good luck.
 
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