Manufacturer & Model
Pioneer Elite VSX-LX805 11.2 AV Receiver
MSRP
$2,999
Link
https://fave.co/4eVYGI6
Highlights
High-performance 11.2-channel capability; 150 Watts per channel; fully compatible with 8K/60Hz and 4K/120Hz video requirements; full-bandwidth Dirac Live room correction; Atmos, DTS:X, and Auro-3D onboard; dual independent subwoofer channels; Roon Ready and Works with Sonos; loads of connectivity options; excellent sound quality for movies and music at reference volume levels.
Summary
The Pioneer Elite LX805 is the flagship model in the Elite lineup, priced at $2,999. Packed with advanced technologies, the LX805 is a powerhouse for large home theater setups (up to 7.2.4 channels) or premium family room entertainment. Its robust Class A/B amplifier delivers 150 Watts per channel, complemented by dual independent subwoofer channels for precise bass management. Audio enhancements include full-bandwidth Dirac Live room correction with an optional Bass Control module, Roon Ready certification, and seamless integration with Sonos. On the video front, the LX805 supports all modern 4K and 8K requirements, including HDMI 2.1 compatibility. With its refined design, powerful performance, and flexibility, the Elite LX805 offers exceptional value for enthusiasts.
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Today, we’re dipping our toes in the waters of Elite’s top-end VSX-LX805 AV receiver (MSRP $2,999) with an in-depth review, dissecting its build quality, performance characteristics, specialties, and – yes – a few warts. Much like Integra-branded receivers released in 2023, the LX805 was conceptualized by US-based design leads who were particularly tuned into the wants and needs of enthusiasts and custom integrators. They listened to those communities and pushed hard internally to ensure the LX805 and its mates hit the street with appeal and technical pizzazz.

The LX805 wasn’t originally intended to slot as Elite’s top model. That role belonged to another design that never made it to production. You wouldn’t know it, though, because this receiver proudly flexes plenty of flagship-level muscle. Take its four subwoofer outputs, for instance. Unlike many receivers, these are split into two independent channels, allowing for precise tuning and time alignment for truly flexible subwoofer placement. Pair that with its dual calibration options – Dirac Live with Bass Control and MCACC Pro – and you have a system that caters to advanced users as well as those seeking a simpler setup. Of course, there are many other tech features and physical elements… so let’s dive in.


Physical Look and Feel
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Last year, we uploaded an unboxing video of the LX805, so if you’d like to hit pause and watch this beauty rise from its packaging, you can do so here. If you’re impatient and prefer to keep reading, know that the receiver arrives in grand fashion. My sample shipped triple-boxed in packaging designed from the ground up. The main box, adorned with striking graphics emphasizing the receiver’s advanced technology, contained a gloss-black Elite-branded accessories container—a fun nod to the brand’s iconic heritage – and the receiver, masterfully cocooned in custom styrofoam and protective wrap.

If you're a buyer who appreciates high-quality packaging, you'll be pleased.

The LX805 weighs nearly 50 lbs, making it hefty to lift. While it didn’t give me issues, you may want to recruit a friend for removal and placement. It’s also a sizeable piece of gear, standing at 7.3” tall and reaching 18.4” in depth. Be sure to read the measurement specs, add some extra space to account for any cables you plan to insert into the back, and confirm that the receiver will fit in your allotted space.

Much of the LX805’s weight comes from its Class A/B power section, which delivers 150W of power across 11 channels. That’s ten more watts per channel than Onkyo’s RZ70 and more than enough muscle to drive most tower and bookshelf speakers. Under the cover, the receiver’s internals drip with quality and organization. One feature you’ll immediately notice is four fanned heat sinks positioned on either side of the reference power transformer. These sinks are custom-molded and exclusive to some Elite and Integra models. For those of you wanting evidence of brand identity, Integra's sinks feature a sleek silver finish, while Elite's showcase a bold and striking black. While trivial, that kind of attention to detail is sure to appeal to hardcore fans of the brand.

To help with cooling, the LX805 has two oversized fans seated directly under its heat sinks. Fans, you say? Can't they get noisy? Yes, fans can, but it just so happens that the LX805's operate whisper-quiet, so there’s no need to worry about added noise.

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With all that amplifier power and attention to airflow, you might wonder how warm the receiver gets during extended heavy use. To test, I placed a full-sized Trinnov processor on top of the LX805, pushed the receiver hard for several hours, and then took measurements. I found external surface temperatures of 102°F (top) and 82°F to 90°F (various areas on the front, back, bottom, and sides). So, things can get quite warm, but I found nothing concerning here. Do make sure you give the receiver room to breathe, though – I wouldn't suggest locking it away in a closed cabinet.

Physically speaking, the LX805 is a head-turner, sporting features like a throwback orange LED display, smooth lines along the edge of its body, and tight radiuses on its corners. You’ll also find a brushed metal faceplate, large machined knobs that turn with a weighted feel, and a soft-touch drop-down panel capped in brushed metal. Truth be told, this receiver aligns perfectly with my aesthetic preferences, offering a forward-facing appearance that’s refreshingly classy.

Unfortunately, physical feel goods don't extend to every aspect of the LX805. Looking closely, you’ll find areas where cost cuts were made. For example, the included backlit remote carries a faux brushed metal face and feels plasticky and cheap in the hands. The receiver’s feet are also molded plastic, though they nearly fooled me; I had to remove a foot to confirm its material makeup. While neither of these is a deal breaker, I was shocked to find standard black and red speaker posts mounted on the backside. Given the LX805’s flagship status, I’d expect something of higher quality.


Distinctive Features
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Before we talk setup, let’s highlight some of the LX805’s more unique features that audiophiles may find appealing. To start, the receiver offers Elite's exclusive Precision Quartz for File-based Audio or PQFA. PQFA is used when media is sourced via network, USB, and Bluetooth. It stabilizes the clock signal during digital audio playback, purportedly reducing invasive jitter. This feature isn't found on Onkyo or Integra receivers.

The LX805’s AV Direct Mode also improves sound quality by limiting digital circuit activity associated with network, Bluetooth, and USB inputs. This can be engaged when listeners source audio from external devices connected to the LX805 via analog and digital inputs. In a similar vein, the receiver also has an HDMI Audio Exclusive Mode that shuts off the video side of the receiver’s HDMI Input 1 jack, eliminating another potential source of noise to the audio signals incoming through HDMI connections.

The Elite also carries two notable industry certifications that cater to audio functions. The first is Works With Sonos, which means the LX805 can integrate with an existing whole-home or single-speaker Sonos system. Essentially, the receiver can be added to and controlled through the Sonos app. So, the need to fidget with multiple apps is eliminated, and owners can make track selections and control volume levels all within Sonos' app architecture.

The other certification is Roon Ready, which means the receiver integrates seamlessly with Roon using the Roon Advanced Audio Transport (RAAT) protocol. This allows for bit-perfect playback, high-resolution audio support, multi-room synchronization, and complete control through the Roon app. Don't confuse Roon Ready with Roon Tested, which applies to devices verified to work with Roon but typically rely on alternative playback protocols like AirPlay or Chromecast – the LX805 gives you access to the good stuff.

Set-Up
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The LX805 marks a new chapter in graphical user interface design for Elite products, introducing a clean and user-friendly layout. It looks great and doesn't take much effort to navigate. First-time users, particularly those new to AVRs, will appreciate the intuitive onscreen instructions that guide you through essential setup tasks, like connecting to WiFi and configuring a room’s speaker arrangement, and some of the minutiae like hooking up HDMI eARC and performing a sound check to ensure speakers are properly connected to the correct terminals—the latter of which caught a mistake I made as I wired a 7.2.4 speaker array. Yes, even seasoned pros can cross their wires!

For me, the Elite had Wi-Fi set up and running in about 40 seconds, aided by integration with my iPhone. Of course, we've all experienced maddening problems with Wi-Fi, and the LX805 has tools to ease the pain. Within the menu system, you'll find a built-in network connection check that verifies MAC and IP addresses, performs a gateway ping, and runs an internet service test— all handy tools that are lightning-fast in response times.

Owners have two calibration systems at their disposal to fine-tune audio performance: Pioneer’s proprietary MCACC Pro and the highly regarded Dirac Live. Both can be used with the microphone included with the LX805. However, if you want to extract the absolute best from Dirac Live, consider investing in a miniDSP UMIK-1 microphone and running the calibration on a PC or Mac. For this review, I tested both MCACC and Dirac Live, along with Dirac's optional Bass Control module, using the included mic and free Pioneer Remote app (iOS, Android) to get that "out-of-the-box" user experience.

MCACC is definitively the weaker of the two calibration options, making it best suited for a quick set-up focused on basic tasks like setting speaker distances and channel levels. Pre and post-MCACC measurements revealed that the software actually degraded my system’s overall response. Bass frequencies were left virtually untouched, while frequencies above 200 Hz exhibited less flatness after correction. On the channel leveling front, MCACC managed to align the front left, right, and center channels within half a decibel of each other but struggled with the remaining channels, many of which were off by two to three decibels from reference.

My advice: skip MCACC and proceed directly to Dirac.

Dirac Live is a standout feature and a significant selling point of this receiver. Surprisingly, you can actually achieve impressive results with the included microphone and the free app, not to mention running Dirac with these tools is reasonably accessible to first-time users. If you're a true green-to-the-core newbie, you might need to ask for help on our forum. But I'm fairly confident that most will trial and error their way to good results.

Out of the box, Elite provides the full-bandwidth version of Dirac Live, which enables frequency corrections beyond 500Hz. For those looking to take things to the next level, Dirac Live Bass Control is available for an additional $299. It offers precise control and optimization of your subwoofers and is a recommended investment for serious enthusiasts.

Note, if you’re considering the LX805’s less expensive sibling, the LX505, Dirac Live Bass Control is not available as an add-on option.

As you can see in the images below, I crafted an aggressive house curve using the free Dirac tools available within the app. For whatever reason, I had difficulty taming decibel levels in the 10 to 20Hz range, so if the receiver were staying in my rack, I'd use a calibrated microphone and a laptop to dial things in a bit better. That said, the core of my review profile delivered plenty of clean punch during demo sessions, so I was happy.

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One of Dirac’s advantages is its ability to correct the impulse response of the audio system. This addresses time-domain issues like phase and timing errors, resulting in a more cohesive and accurate soundstage. As reflected in my before-and-after Room EQ measurements, Dirac effectively tightened up the response, enhancing clarity and coherence.

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A notable limitation of the LX805 is its ability to save only three Dirac profiles derived from a single set of measurements. In addition, you can’t store both MCACC and Dirac profiles simultaneously, which is something I'd consider to be an "enthusiast inconvenience." Receivers capable of storing a broader range of profiles typically cost thousands more, so I wouldn’t brand this as a major drawback – most owners probably won't care.


Performance
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So far, so good. Right? From unboxing to handling the receiver and running set-up procedures, the LX805 had practically won me over. It’s a device that strikes a perfect balance – offering enough complexity and advanced features to satisfy seasoned home theater enthusiasts while remaining approachable and intuitive for newcomers or those less tech-savvy. While I found a few spots in the menu system and user manual that could benefit from more detail, Elite’s design team truly knocked it out of the park from a usability standpoint.

That brings us to playback, where I'd like to begin by discussing an unsightly wart: the LX805’s built-in Bluetooth Transmitter. I have to admit, seeing "Bluetooth Transmitter" listed in the specs kicked my expectations into overdrive, leading me to assume I'd experience a process that was easy and reliable for both movies and music. I was expecting a lot, and in my case, those expectations were well off the mark.

The most significant issue was getting the LX805 to recognize my earbuds, which included Atlantic Technology’s TSW-1 and Bowers & Wilkins Pi8. The receiver became stuck in pairing mode during several attempts, effectively freezing and becoming unresponsive. The only remedy was to power down the unit, restart it, and try again.

Following one successful pairing attempt, I tried sourcing tunes through Spotify Connect. Activating Spotify instantly disconnected my earbuds, sending me back to the frustrating cycle of pairing. To make things worse, my system also lost all audio output capabilities after the buds went dark. To get everything working again, I had to power down the receiver, restart it, and then cycle between inputs before the speakers would play any sound.

It became complexly frustrating and not something I'd want those less technically inclined to troubleshoot.

Did I ultimately get the transmitter to work? At times, yes... with music, but I was never able to reliably stream movie audio. Any audio linked to video content was laggy and full of connection issues. So, from my experience, the Bluetooth Transmitter is a feature worth ignoring.

The rest of my time test-driving the LX805 was pure fun. For this review, the receiver drove a range of GoldenEar Technology speakers (Triton One.R mains, Triton Reference Center, Invisa in-walls for surround and rear) along with SVS Elevation height speakers and dual SVS SB16 Ultra subs. Sources included Apple TV 4K, Kaleidescape, and a Panasonic UB9000 universal disc player.

Movie content with the LX805 was exceptional, offering a deeply immersive audio experience. Lone Survivor (4K, DTS-HD MA 5.1) has become one of my demo films, and upmixing its audio track using the receiver's built-in Auro-3D Auromatic engine produced fantastic results. I focused on two standout scenes:

The first begins with actor Alexander Ludwig reciting the Frogman’s Ballad as helicopters arrive to pick up Navy SEALs and transport them into the mountains. This scene is packed with dynamic energy, and it really highlighted the correction capabilities of Dirac Live and Bass Control as compared to MCACC. While MCACC testing produced a serviceable audio experience, Dirac Live took it to another level, expanding the soundstage beyond the room’s boundaries and sharpening the center image with notable precision. Bass during this scene is widely varied, and the LX805 conducted a low-end presentation that was nuanced and impactful, seamlessly integrating into the mix.

The second scene, the opening moments of the battle in the mountains, reinforced the LX805’s ability to recreate incredible atmospherics. The speakers handled reference-level playback effortlessly, producing crystal-clear audio that filled the room with power and detail.

Next up was Devotion in 4K with Dolby Atmos. The final battle scene and subsequent plane crash are loaded with immersive activity, and the LX805 brought the scene to life. Sound pans were precise with pinpoint accuracy, and the film's action sequences filled the front soundstage with thunderous audio. Even the quiet, more subtle moments—like the whispers of wind or soft dialogue—were impressive. And let's not forget about the bass, which was exceptionally well-managed: impactful without feeling bloated, blending seamlessly with the rest of the sound.

I usually avoid reading other reviews before evaluating equipment, but a forum member pointed me toward one write-up that claimed the LX805 tended to render dialogue as flat. To investigate, I played one of the films mentioned in that review – Interstellar (4K, DTS-HD MA 5.1) – and found nothing objectionable. Dialogue clarity and texture sounded perfectly fine on my system.

To dig deeper, I turned to Pulp Fiction (4K, DTS-HD MA 5.1) and its iconic Jackrabbit Slim’s twist contest. From Vincent Vega chatting with Mia Wallace through her home's intercom system to conversation in the lively ambiance of the restaurant, dialogue came through rich and engaging. I couldn’t detect any issues here, either.

I suspect – but am not 100% sure – that any dialog complaints may have stemmed from differences in room correction and how it’s been applied. So, take that for what it's worth.

One limitation worth noting—and one that some potential owners might be curious about—is the playback and upmixing restrictions for Dolby-encoded content. With Dolby, you’re limited to native playback or Dolby modes, such as Dolby Surround or Dolby Atmos. In contrast, DTS-encoded content, including DTS-HD MA and DTS:X, is more flexible, allowing you to choose between Auro-3D or Dolby mixers.

I was pleasantly surprised to find in-depth onscreen audio and video details available by pressing the remote’s “Info” button. On the audio side, you can quickly identify how audio is being sourced, along with native codec, channel count, and resolution information. You can also see what, if any, processing is engaged, the output channel count, and what type of room correction is being used. Video details are equally impressive, showing source content resolution, frames per second, color depth, and high dynamic range information. I mention this because enthusiasts often want to confirm what kind of content is being sourced and how it’s being presented — the LX805 delivers on all fronts.

For stereo testing, I reached for John Bellion's The Human Condition, Norah Jones' Come Away With Me, Pink Floyd’s remastered Dark Side of the Moon, and a collection of favorite tracks ranging from bass-heavy electronica to the subtleties of ambient pieces like those from Aphex Twin. These reference tracks cemented my opinion of the LX805’s overarching competency with both 2-channel and multi-channel audio, with a positive nod toward Auro's Auromatic upmixing. It sounded great.

There were moments when music presentations appeared slightly crispy or subtly jagged on the higher end of frequencies. I switched between Dirac and native playback, and that trace signature remained, so I'm left to assume the LX805 has a taste of innate brightness to its sound. However, I'll be the first to admit that my observations may have been my ears and brain picking up on details that have always been present in some tracks. I certainly heard nothing cringeworthy, and the receiver is definitively built to sing boldly and proudly. In fact, the LX805 confidently pushed volumes to reference levels without running out of steam or succumbing to distortion.

This, folks, is one fine piece of equipment.

Conclusion
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What we have in the LX805 is an impressive package that’s sure to please. Its design is thoughtful, its construction is impressive, and its performance factors are on full display the second you plug it in.

You want muscle? The LX805 can flex and push your system hard. You want modern technologies? The LX805 carries high-level AV connectivity and plays nicely with every immersive audio format on the planet. You want tuned sound? The LX805 hands you Dirac Live Full Version out of the box with an option for Bass Control. You want individuality? As I detailed, the LX805 has some characteristics you’d be hard-pressed to find elsewhere.

Priced at $2,999, the Elite VSX-LX805 isn’t an inexpensive purchase. So here’s my recommendation: If your budget is loose and you’re ready to buy, pull the trigger and enjoy this fabulous receiver today. You won’t regret it. For those with a tight budget or if $2,999 is well out of your range, be patient and watch for sales. Just before the holidays, the LX805 could be found for as little as $1,499 online. At that price, there isn’t a receiver on the market that can compete with this flagship offering.




Pioneer Elite VSX-LX805 Receiver Specifications
  • Channels: 7.2.4 (11 amplified)
    Power Output: 150 W x 11 (8 ohms, 20 Hz-20 kHz, 0.08% THD, 2-channel driven, FTC)
    Amplifier Class: Class AB, all-new symmetric design
  • Audio Processing: Two precision 32-bit ESS ES9026PRO Hyperstream® audiophile DACs
  • HDMI Inputs/Outputs: 7 In / 3 Out (eARC)
  • HDMI Capabilities Across 6 Rear: 8K, 4K Ultra HD, HDMI 2.1, HDCP2.3, Dolby Vision, HDR10+
  • Control: Ethernet, RS232, IR
  • Audio Inputs: 7 x HDMI, 1 x XLR, 4 x RCA, 1 x RCA Phono, 3 x Optical, 2 x Coaxial
  • Audio Outputs: 15 x Preamp RCA, 2 x Preamp XLR, Zone 2 Stereo RCA, Zone 3 Stereo RCA
  • Room Correction: MCACC, Dirac Live Premium Version included, Dirac Live Bass Control Single/Multi-Sub available via user upgrade
  • Surround Modes: Dolby Atmos, Dolby Surround, DTS:X, Neural:X, IMAX Enhanced, Auro-3D (FW update June 2023)
  • Streaming Features: Roon Ready, Chromecast, AirPlay 2, Spotify, Amazon Music HD, Tidal, Deezer, Pandora, TuneIn, DTS Play-Fi
  • Dimensions (H x W x D): 7.3 x 17.1 x 18.4 inches
  • Weight: 47.4 pounds
  • Warranty: 3 years (parts and labor)

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Well, for what it's worth... I believe you! :T
 
I miss my old and sensational Pioneer Elite SC-67. It was 12 years of GREAT joy.
 

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I also have an 8.4. only because I wanted balanced center and sub pre-outs.

The 805 has an ace up its sleeve, tho', making it more of an audiophile piece vs. the Integra, and that was by design. The 805 has PQFS to reduce jitter in digital audio sources (USB/BT/Network), via a high-precision clock.
@Mr.Satyre Are you talking about PQLS and PQFS is a typo? I was finally able to get a slightly used Pioneer LX805. I have enabled PQLS under HDMI sources but that is not showing PQLS is enabled when I play via ApplePlay which is played over the network. I am checking this information in the Pioneer App for iOS. Is there some special trick or setting to enable PQLS? I do not know the Pioneer 4K Blu-Ray player which did support PQLS so my chances of taking advantage of this feature via HDMI is zero at this time since no other Blu-Ray player supports this technology.
 
@Mr.Satyre Are you talking about PQLS and PQFS is a typo? I was finally able to get a slightly used Pioneer LX805. I have enabled PQLS under HDMI sources but that is not showing PQLS is enabled when I play via ApplePlay which is played over the network. I am checking this information in the Pioneer App for iOS. Is there some special trick or setting to enable PQLS? I do not know the Pioneer 4K Blu-Ray player which did support PQLS so my chances of taking advantage of this feature via HDMI is zero at this time since no other Blu-Ray player supports this technology.
Sorry for the delay. Pioneer's PQLS (pulse quartz locking system) was originally for jitter reduction over IEEE-1394 (and later HDMI) signal transport for SACD waaaaaaay back in the day. It worked so well, it was patented and licensed to Sony, among others. All Pioneer DVD player from the DV-79AVi (i for i-Link/IEEE-1394) onward, and all Pioneer BD players, and all Pioneer AV receivers from the 49TXi onward have had PQLS. Holy hell, I can't believe I remembered all of that without having to dig through old files! 😅

Anywayz Pioneer's somewhat clumsily named PQFS (pulse quartz file system) is a similar jitter reduction process for all digital streaming sources (BT, Internet radio, flash drives).
 
Sorry for the delay. Pioneer's PQLS (pulse quartz locking system) was originally for jitter reduction over IEEE-1394 (and later HDMI) signal transport for SACD waaaaaaay back in the day. It worked so well, it was patented and licensed to Sony, among others. All Pioneer DVD player from the DV-79AVi (i for i-Link/IEEE-1394) onward, and all Pioneer BD players, and all Pioneer AV receivers from the 49TXi onward have had PQLS. Holy hell, I can't believe I remembered all of that without having to dig through old files! 😅

Anywayz Pioneer's somewhat clumsily named PQFS (pulse quartz file system) is a similar jitter reduction process for all digital streaming sources (BT, Internet radio, flash drives).
Thank you for responding @Mr.Satyre. You are a great source of information.

Can you also guide me if there is anything one has to enable in order to take advantage of PQFS? There is a PQLS setting under HDMI which I turned ON and in the iOS apps, I always see that PQLS is OFF when checking Audio/Video status which is correct because I do not have any Pioneer device that can send/enable PQLS for me.

I am wondering how can I take advantage of the ACE feature of LX805 and where can I go see that it is working? Thanks in advance for sharing your knowledge and helping me out.
 
Thank you for responding @Mr.Satyre. You are a great source of information.

Can you also guide me if there is anything one has to enable in order to take advantage of PQFS? There is a PQLS setting under HDMI which I turned ON and in the iOS apps, I always see that PQLS is OFF when checking Audio/Video status which is correct because I do not have any Pioneer device that can send/enable PQLS for me.

I am wondering how can I take advantage of the ACE feature of LX805 and where can I go see that it is working? Thanks in advance for sharing your knowledge and helping me out.
PQFS is always active when accessing any digital streaming source. I'm not aware of any way to turn it off, at least when I was working with the Japan team (but now that you mention it, it's an interesting point that PQLS can be turned on and off, but PQFA can't be turned off) (I seem to remember something about PQLS conflicting with phase control in our earlier versions of MCACC Pro, but I could be completely off base)

When you say "ACE", that's an acronym that is not ringing any bells. Maybe an update that happened after I left...?
 
Thank you for responding @Mr.Satyre and clarifying further.

I am sorry to cause confusion. I was simply trying to emphasize the point you made because you said that PQFS is a unique feature only available in Pioneer and not available in other brands like Onkyo or Integra. I believe you have used that it is the only "ace" or differentiating feature in Pioneer. I was simply restating that fact and was trying to understand how I can take advantage of this differentiating feature. It is not a acronym as you know so much more than someone like me.
 
Thank you for responding @Mr.Satyre and clarifying further.

I am sorry to cause confusion. I was simply trying to emphasize the point you made because you said that PQFS is a unique feature only available in Pioneer and not available in other brands like Onkyo or Integra. I believe you have used that it is the only "ace" or differentiating feature in Pioneer. I was simply restating that fact and was trying to understand how I can take advantage of this differentiating feature. It is not a acronym as you know so much more than someone like me.
Ah, my bad! Yes, PQFS and PQLS are Pioneer-specific technologies, and those were the "aces" up Pioneer's sleeve. 😁
 
I'm in the UK and like others, have great experience of using Pioneer equipment, so now that I'm looking to upgrade, I looked at Pioneer first, only to learn about their current issues, which is somewhat concerning, especially when I'm considering spending £2k to purchase the Pioneer VSA-LX805 AV Receiver.

I've been procrastinating for a week now and just can't seem to make a decision. Yesterday I spoke to my local Sevenoaks Sound and Vision store, from where I purchased my current Pioneer SC-LX82, 15 years ago!!!! They basically told me the LX805 was not as good as my old LX82, which surprised me. However, they no longer sell Pioneer and instead recommended the NAD T778, which is nearly £1k more expensive! Is it really the case that the LX805 is not as good as the LX82 from a sound perspective? If I replace the LX82 with the LX805 am I going to experience a reduction in sound quality? Given the LX82 is only capable of HD and the LX805 is 4K/8K the visual side would be a huge improvement I would have thought.

I'm aware there aren't many of these LX805 units left and I only see two UK online sellers that have stock, so I suspect I may need to be quick if I really want one. I confess, the reduction in price from around £3k, to £2k and the offer of a 6 year seller warranty is a big incentive to take the chance on Pioneer, despite the brand potentially disappearing.
 
Ah, your super salesman sounds like he's a Class D fanatic. While there's certainly nothing wrong with that, there is literally no comparison between the two AVRs.

I was on the 82 team, not as a lead back then, but as an development advisor, and as technical sales trainer and marketing content creator. You can only take my word, as a stranger, that I assure you that when developing the 805, we took pains to make sure it sounded better than what came before.

I will freely admit that the 805 as it exists, is not everything we hoped it would be, due to a nearly endless list of roadblocks, but as it exists, it is really the best design with the Pioneer name in 15 years in both technical features and sound. That being said, everyone quite rightly has a preference, and if Class AB doesn't suit you (or him) as well as Class D, I'm sorry, because you'll be missing out on an entirely new and much more exciting experience.

CCompared to the 82, the 805 has...
  1. More power in 2ch
  2. Balanced I/O
  3. Selectable speaker channels to drive passive subwoofers
  4. More channels of processing and amplification
  5. Dolby Atmos, Auro 3D, Imax Enhanced, Dolby Vision
  6. Full Bandwidth Dirac Live (free!) w/the option to upgrade to Bass Control
  7. Dual discrete sub outs (2 channels x2)
  8. Upgraded ESS Sabre DACs
  9. HDMI 2.1 for 8K/60Hz & 4K/120Hz
  10. Waaay more advanced and higher resolution streaming capabilities, inc. Roon Ready
  11. HD GUI
  12. Advanced Web Setup (enter in URL in any browser, type in "ciuser, ciuser" lower case, and have complete, remote access to all functions, Inc. 4&8K test pattern generator)
The list goes on and on.
 
I'm in the UK and like others, have great experience of using Pioneer equipment, so now that I'm looking to upgrade, I looked at Pioneer first, only to learn about their current issues, which is somewhat concerning, especially when I'm considering spending £2k to purchase the Pioneer VSA-LX805 AV Receiver.

I've been procrastinating for a week now and just can't seem to make a decision. Yesterday I spoke to my local Sevenoaks Sound and Vision store, from where I purchased my current Pioneer SC-LX82, 15 years ago!!!! They basically told me the LX805 was not as good as my old LX82, which surprised me. However, they no longer sell Pioneer and instead recommended the NAD T778, which is nearly £1k more expensive! Is it really the case that the LX805 is not as good as the LX82 from a sound perspective? If I replace the LX82 with the LX805 am I going to experience a reduction in sound quality? Given the LX82 is only capable of HD and the LX805 is 4K/8K the visual side would be a huge improvement I would have thought.

I'm aware there aren't many of these LX805 units left and I only see two UK online sellers that have stock, so I suspect I may need to be quick if I really want one. I confess, the reduction in price from around £3k, to £2k and the offer of a 6 year seller warranty is a big incentive to take the chance on Pioneer, despite the brand potentially disappearing.
I upgraded from Pioneer Elite SC-37 to Pioneer VSX-LX805 (these are the US models since I am in USA). I can tell you that besides all the things that @Mr.Satyre has called out my real world experience of this upgrade. Few things that important I think to note in my setup are:
  • My AVR goes into a closet although I keep the door open. See https://www.avnirvana.com/threads/h...oundness-good-but-not-tight.13356/post-100411 post here. The left white closet behind the speaker is where my AVR is located.
  • Since my AVR needed to stay inside this closet, I selected Class-D amplifier back in 2010 because they were marketed to run cool compared to their AB amplifiers and heat was a concern for me that I wanted to avoid.
  • I have Klipsch Reference II series speakers which are all extra sensitive i.e. 97db for surrounds and surround backs with my L/R at 101db and my center at 99db sensitivity so I really did not need very beefy amplifiers to drive these efficient speakers. I bought these speakers so I can avoid getting into pre/pro setups although everyone I spoke to back then wanted to sell me on the idea that pre/pro is the only way to go for best sound quality. After using this system for 15 years, I feel I made the best choice to get better/sensitive speakers so I can use a mass market AVR as upgrades come. I still feel it is much more difficult to find the proper matched pre/pro combination with today's technology landscape and 1 unit setup is much easier to configure. Plus the upgrade paths are cheaper and easier.
With the above information in mind; here's my upgrade experience:
  • I bought Dirac Live Bass Control (DLBC) upgrade since I have dual subwoofers which added to the cost but all I can say is that it was a worth while purchase.
  • My overall sound quality using DLBC is the best I have heard on my system (same speakers; only changed AVR). Something I could not achieve with endless REW + miniDSP 2x4 HD + DSPeaker AntiMode8033 setup permutations.
  • The sound from surrounds and back surrounds (I have a 7.2 setup; so no Atmos speakers for me) is now lot more prominent and I feel this upgrade is worth while just to hear more immersive sound.
  • Bass sound sweeps in the movies and music now sound excellent. I am talking about sounds like wooshing explosion where a very low frequency sweep goes like you took a sound measurement. This is common in Sci-Fi movies. Most people talk about an explosion and they are trying to focus on a small frequency spectrum like an explosion will have a spectrum on say 50-60hz but an alient attack could sweep from say 40-80hz which you then hear as a wooshing sweep of sound.
  • I am a Pioneer fan and love their "Ext. Stereo" sound mode for 2-channel music. This mode has considerably changed.
    • In SC-37, you hear the 2-channel sound from surrounds and back surrounds like every channel is playing all the music notes. I do miss this because if you are throwing a party in your house and a group of people are dancing then everyone is able to hear the sound at the same level. Very much like a dance floor in a disco theater.
    • In LX-805, the sound is now being processed like Dolby Surround, AuroMatic or any other virtual surround technologies. This makes the sound coming from surrounds or back surrounds at a much lower level. It is just a different experience that I am slowly getting used to. When I am just listening to music and not dancing to it, it sounds much better but when we as a family want to dance to songs, then I feel it is not that good. In LX-805 on the Mobile App there is a UI option called "Stereo Assign Mode" which defaults to FRONT. One can change this value to SURROUND or SURROUND BACK and then the main L/R sound will be sent to these speaker channels instead of FRONT. I wish the old ALL CHANNEL could get added as well via some Firmware update.
  • SC-37 came with a RF remote that plugged into the RS-232 port in the back. This was the best remote Pioneer made because with my closet situation, I cannot get a good line of sight and SC-37 remote never needed one. With my LX-805 back to standard IR remote, I have to angle or get up to use the remote. For now, I am getting around this problem using either the Mobile App or using HDMI CEC. I am concerned that Pioneer will not update their Mobile App like they did not do it for SC-37 so after a while it will not work on newer iOS Apple device. At that point, I will really have to hope that my CEC continues to work or find something newer to solve for it.
  • For my SC-37, I had to buy an external AS-BT100 Bluetooth module but LX-805 now comes standard with Bluetooth and it even support AirPlay2 which is better since it supports network steaming.
  • LX-805 only has 3 presets so I can only load 3 Dirac calibration profiles. Or I can only load 3 MCACC profiles. Both cannot be loaded and then switched between them like the Denon/Marantz system allow. SC-37 came with 6 memory profiles. I believe internally LX-805 has 6 memory slots and the Firmware restricts to only keep things to 3 profiles. I wish this restriction is lifted. You also no longer get the option to copy/export the MCACC data and then use the desktop app to view details. This option for some reason is removed as well.
My overall result is that LX-805 is very worth while upgrade. My only reason to choose Class-D was heat back in 2010 so I went with SC-37 and LX-805 AVR is not heating with the closet door open. Keep in mind that among the sister family i.e. Onkyo TX-RZ70, Pioneer VSX-LX805 and Integra DRX-8.4 ; Pioneer is the lowest in height. I don't know if it is due feet height variation or things inside Pioneer are more compressed so heat for me was the major concern before purchasing this unit. I am happy to report, it is not a concern.

Hope this helps you make your decision.
 
I upgraded from Pioneer Elite SC-37 to Pioneer VSX-LX805 (these are the US models since I am in USA). I can tell you that besides all the things that @Mr.Satyre has called out my real world experience of this upgrade. Few things that important I think to note in my setup are:
  • My AVR goes into a closet although I keep the door open. See https://www.avnirvana.com/threads/h...oundness-good-but-not-tight.13356/post-100411 post here. The left white closet behind the speaker is where my AVR is located.
  • Since my AVR needed to stay inside this closet, I selected Class-D amplifier back in 2010 because they were marketed to run cool compared to their AB amplifiers and heat was a concern for me that I wanted to avoid.
  • I have Klipsch Reference II series speakers which are all extra sensitive i.e. 97db for surrounds and surround backs with my L/R at 101db and my center at 99db sensitivity so I really did not need very beefy amplifiers to drive these efficient speakers. I bought these speakers so I can avoid getting into pre/pro setups although everyone I spoke to back then wanted to sell me on the idea that pre/pro is the only way to go for best sound quality. After using this system for 15 years, I feel I made the best choice to get better/sensitive speakers so I can use a mass market AVR as upgrades come. I still feel it is much more difficult to find the proper matched pre/pro combination with today's technology landscape and 1 unit setup is much easier to configure. Plus the upgrade paths are cheaper and easier.
With the above information in mind; here's my upgrade experience:
  • I bought Dirac Live Bass Control (DLBC) upgrade since I have dual subwoofers which added to the cost but all I can say is that it was a worth while purchase.
  • My overall sound quality using DLBC is the best I have heard on my system (same speakers; only changed AVR). Something I could not achieve with endless REW + miniDSP 2x4 HD + DSPeaker AntiMode8033 setup permutations.
  • The sound from surrounds and back surrounds (I have a 7.2 setup; so no Atmos speakers for me) is now lot more prominent and I feel this upgrade is worth while just to hear more immersive sound.
  • Bass sound sweeps in the movies and music now sound excellent. I am talking about sounds like wooshing explosion where a very low frequency sweep goes like you took a sound measurement. This is common in Sci-Fi movies. Most people talk about an explosion and they are trying to focus on a small frequency spectrum like an explosion will have a spectrum on say 50-60hz but an alient attack could sweep from say 40-80hz which you then hear as a wooshing sweep of sound.
  • I am a Pioneer fan and love their "Ext. Stereo" sound mode for 2-channel music. This mode has considerably changed.
    • In SC-37, you hear the 2-channel sound from surrounds and back surrounds like every channel is playing all the music notes. I do miss this because if you are throwing a party in your house and a group of people are dancing then everyone is able to hear the sound at the same level. Very much like a dance floor in a disco theater.
    • In LX-805, the sound is now being processed like Dolby Surround, AuroMatic or any other virtual surround technologies. This makes the sound coming from surrounds or back surrounds at a much lower level. It is just a different experience that I am slowly getting used to. When I am just listening to music and not dancing to it, it sounds much better but when we as a family want to dance to songs, then I feel it is not that good. In LX-805 on the Mobile App there is a UI option called "Stereo Assign Mode" which defaults to FRONT. One can change this value to SURROUND or SURROUND BACK and then the main L/R sound will be sent to these speaker channels instead of FRONT. I wish the old ALL CHANNEL could get added as well via some Firmware update.
  • SC-37 came with a RF remote that plugged into the RS-232 port in the back. This was the best remote Pioneer made because with my closet situation, I cannot get a good line of sight and SC-37 remote never needed one. With my LX-805 back to standard IR remote, I have to angle or get up to use the remote. For now, I am getting around this problem using either the Mobile App or using HDMI CEC. I am concerned that Pioneer will not update their Mobile App like they did not do it for SC-37 so after a while it will not work on newer iOS Apple device. At that point, I will really have to hope that my CEC continues to work or find something newer to solve for it.
  • For my SC-37, I had to buy an external AS-BT100 Bluetooth module but LX-805 now comes standard with Bluetooth and it even support AirPlay2 which is better since it supports network steaming.
  • LX-805 only has 3 presets so I can only load 3 Dirac calibration profiles. Or I can only load 3 MCACC profiles. Both cannot be loaded and then switched between them like the Denon/Marantz system allow. SC-37 came with 6 memory profiles. I believe internally LX-805 has 6 memory slots and the Firmware restricts to only keep things to 3 profiles. I wish this restriction is lifted. You also no longer get the option to copy/export the MCACC data and then use the desktop app to view details. This option for some reason is removed as well.
My overall result is that LX-805 is very worth while upgrade. My only reason to choose Class-D was heat back in 2010 so I went with SC-37 and LX-805 AVR is not heating with the closet door open. Keep in mind that among the sister family i.e. Onkyo TX-RZ70, Pioneer VSX-LX805 and Integra DRX-8.4 ; Pioneer is the lowest in height. I don't know if it is due feet height variation or things inside Pioneer are more compressed so heat for me was the major concern before purchasing this unit. I am happy to report, it is not a concern.

Hope this helps you make your decision.
All excellent points, and many of which we desperately wanted to address in the 805, but of course we had to really analyze each to the point of exhaustion and decide what we could and couldn't accomplish with the budget and parts availability situation at the time it was developed. I don't know that I can adequately convey the constant state of angst and frustration we experienced because vendors were more often than not notifying us of either that new network card, or amp module (yes, the 805 was originally hoped to be Class D) had either suddenly become unavailable thanks to Covid, or they'd decided to redesign it at the expense of 6mo delays (which meant we'd miss out on critical factory start dates; every model has a start and stop placement in line with the ones before and after) and/or obscene price-hikes, or some other brand had swooped in and bought up the entire parts stock and you have to scramble to find an alternative. Real hair-pulling times.

So...we ended up with a lot more wins than losses, but yeah, there were a number of things we just couldn't do with the time and money we had.

I have absolutely no idea how to work the math, but if you factor in inflation and parts cost increases (to say nothing of shipping container increases) the 805 is both over and underpriced. Under because of all the features we were able to include, and over because we couldn't get Class D or the copper chassis (to name only two) we wanted.

The Powers That Be, since I left, decided to drastically reduce the sales price, which makes it an even better bargain.

Just one last add: the 805 has a very efficient heatsink and cooling fan arrangement, so it doesn't get as toasty as many other AB designs (which are all less powerful anyway). Not mentioned virtually everywhere are the fans on the underside, blowing cool air up through the heatsinks.
 
All excellent points, and many of which we desperately wanted to address in the 805, but of course we had to really analyze each to the point of exhaustion and decide what we could and couldn't accomplish with the budget and parts availability situation at the time it was developed. I don't know that I can adequately convey the constant state of angst and frustration we experienced because vendors were more often than not notifying us of either that new network card, or amp module (yes, the 805 was originally hoped to be Class D) had either suddenly become unavailable thanks to Covid, or they'd decided to redesign it at the expense of 6mo delays (which meant we'd miss out on critical factory start dates; every model has a start and stop placement in line with the ones before and after) and/or obscene price-hikes, or some other brand had swooped in and bought up the entire parts stock and you have to scramble to find an alternative. Real hair-pulling times.

So...we ended up with a lot more wins than losses, but yeah, there were a number of things we just couldn't do with the time and money we had.

I have absolutely no idea how to work the math, but if you factor in inflation and parts cost increases (to say nothing of shipping container increases) the 805 is both over and underpriced. Under because of all the features we were able to include, and over because we couldn't get Class D or the copper chassis (to name only two) we wanted.

The Powers That Be, since I left, decided to drastically reduce the sales price, which makes it an even better bargain.

Just one last add: the 805 has a very efficient heatsink and cooling fan arrangement, so it doesn't get as toasty as many other AB designs (which are all less powerful anyway). Not mentioned virtually everywhere are the fans on the underside, blowing cool air up through the heatsinks.
Thank you @Mr.Satyre for sharing this additional information. I held myself back waiting for Class-D forever mainly because of heat concerns but the reduced price was such an attractive bargain to let go for features it was delivering that I took a chance to see if heat is going to be a concern. I am so glad that your team did everything in your power given all the constraints you faced to deliver a design that is consumer friendly, usable and can I say "the best in class". I do not see any other AVR in the market that comes close when you add all the feature and the sale price of this unit. It is leaps and bound ahead of everything in the market for an everyday consumer before getting into dedicated home theater rooms. My setup is in a family room which you can see in thread where I posted pictures.

I truly thank you and your team from the bottom of my heart for delivering the piece of marvel at an affordable price point.
 
Back when I was a sales trainer, I once had a dealer apologize profusely that he had only one sales person for me to train after previously promising a dozen. I shrugged it off saying I was just as happy training one person as I was training 100.

Knowing that I've helped satisfy just one customer with the 805 (at least in most aspects), makes the entire process of development worth it. I suppose I'm not being vain saying I know I've probably made a lot of people happy---I just never hear that from them. I hope you have many years of enjoyment together!
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I am a big fan of Pioneer and I am happy that the journey continues forward.
I wish I knew what the future holds. It's all very much up in the air now.
 
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