Graph psychoacustic

[Alpi]

Hi

Is the graph psychoacustic the frequency curve that one perceives with the ear? Should one use this smoothing to make corrections with the DSP?

Alpi

 

[John Mulcahy]

Psychoacoustic smoothing is an approximation to the perceived balance. Variable smoothing is a better choice for making corrections.

 

[Alpi]

Thanks then I did it right.
What does the graph "Spectrogram" tell me in wavelet mode?

 

[John Mulcahy]

The wavelet spectrogram is useful for time alignment of drive units or speakers and subwoofers.

 

[Alpi]

Hello John

Thank you for the explanation.
I have four measurements of my home theater here.
Measured is the left speaker + the double bass array (2x4) + my infrasub woofer 4x18 "Dayton.
The crossover from the infrasubwoofer to the DBA is 35HZ and the crossover from the DBA to the left main speaker is 100Hz.

what do the four measurements show you and why is the RT60 so bad even though the waterfall is good (<300ms) and RT60 (700ms)?

Thank you very much

 

[John Mulcahy]

Please post mdat files rather than images. RT60 is meaningless below the rooms' transition band, which is around 200 Hz for domestically sized rooms.

 

[Alpi]

Hi

Here are the measurements
If you want I can also measure the mains individually

thanks

 

[John Mulcahy]

Thanks. The spectrogram shows the mids lagging the tweeter by 0.7 ms or thereabouts, then a much larger lag of about 9 ms to the bass region. The treble could be delayed to better align with the mid and both could be delayed to better align with the bass, though the audibility of such timing offsets is a topic of debate.

 

[Alpi]

Thanks for the assessment
Tomorrow I try to improve the timing.
Can I also see that on other graphs?

thanks

 

[John Mulcahy]

Not so easily, the Group Delay plot when using a frequency-dependent window of 5 or 6 cycles width comes closest.

 

[Alpi]

Hello John, where are you from? Texas?
I am from Tyrol :-)
With REW you've done something great, unfortunately I understand only a little. OK. I understand SPL, Waterfall, etc., but there are such great features in REW. is the waterfall under 100 Hz real? Or only calculated?

I'm writing something to my speakers, these are 2 way speakers with a 12 "TT and 1" HT horn.


Thanks and nice greetings from Tyrol!

 

[John Mulcahy]

I'm from the UK, Horst. All waterfall data is calculated from the impulse response, as is the case for most things including the SPL and phase plots. The impulse response reflects the behaviour of the system measured, so it is all as "real" as the measurement.

 

[Alpi]

I'm from the UK, Horst.

Oh... sorry


Thanks for the explanation.

 

[Alpi]

hello John

What is the better measure of the DBA?
DBA 1 or DBA 2?

thanks

 

[John Mulcahy]

I don't understand your question, sorry, and there is nothing called DBA 1 or DBA 2 in that file.

 

[Alpi]

Hi John,

Sorry for my incomplete question. The last two measurements.
Once just that inverted the back array without delay (DBA 2) and once the back array inverted and a delay of 15.5ms (~ space length) - DBA 1.
Crossover = 100Hz
Which is the better measurement or which setting do you find better?

Kind regards

 

[John Mulcahy]

DBA 2 looks better to me at that measurement position, but to evaluate how successful a DBA is you should measure at all the positions of interest.

 

[Alpi]

Thanks for the assessment and the tip.
I actually only have one reference place. :-). For the sake of interest, I will measure on several positions.

thanks