Onkyo, Pioneer Elite, and Integra Deep Dive: A Fresh Look at the Brands’ Latest AV Receivers

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(March 3, 2021) The road to 2021 has been bumpy for Onkyo Corporation and its associated brands (Onkyo, Integra, Pioneer, and Pioneer Elite). Rewind two years, and the company was on the cusp of being acquired by Sound United, a deal that would have positioned all four brands alongside the likes of Marantz, Denon, and Classe'. And if 2020's international COVID crisis wasn't rough enough, Onkyo made the difficult decision to shutter its US distribution subsidiary, ultimately agreeing to sell its distribution assets to a new name in the game.

Now, following months of silence, rumors, and speculation, Onkyo and Pioneer have officially re-emerged behind the strength of its new US-based distributor, 11 Trading Company, and the solid foundation of a deeper business relationship. To help make sense of that relationship's structure, here's a quick breakdown of the companies involved and how they're related: 11 Trading Company is a subsidiary of Klipsch, and Klipsch is owned by Voxx. Onkyo and Voxx have a healthy history born from an arrangement that empowers Onkyo to distribute Klipsch products in Japan. Thus, both companies' natural move was to expand their alliance by reversing that arrangement in the North American market. That's how 11 Trading Company entered the picture; they were created to lead the charge.

I recently had an opportunity to chat with 11 Trading Company's Rolf Hawkins (Product Manager) and Mike Bohner (Digital Marketing Manager), and the conversation was teeming with positive energy and optimism. Hawkins, an industry veteran with a background that includes work on Pioneer's legendary Kuro plasma TVs, is tasked with guiding the development of next-gen Onkyo and Pioneer AV receivers. Both he and Bohner say all systems are primed and ready to launch Onkyo Corporation back into the conversation.

The best news born from the discussion is that Onkyo and Pioneer are alive and well. In fact, it's safe to say a forward-thinking team of designers has reinvigorated both brands. As Hawkins eluded, the end goal has been to craft a new line of receivers loaded with features to competitively satisfy customer and integrator demands (such as a web-based user interface) while making sure the latest and greatest in audio and video technologies are accommodated. This, of course, is extremely exciting, especially considering the pedigree each brand brings to the table.

Pioneer's rich past includes ushering Class D amplification into mainstream popularity. Nearly 14 years ago, it joined forces with THX to evaluate Class D designs, hoping to make chassis more compact, discover higher output capabilities, and improve fidelity. THX ultimately identified areas needing improvement, including frequency response, distortion, and noise, which led to a solution-seeking collaboration between Pioneer and ICEpower. The resulting 2008 class of Pioneer Elite receivers became the first THX Certified products to feature Class D technology.

On the other hand, Onkyo is a revered brand known for honest power specs and extremely competent performance. And, of course, it's a name that was closely tied to Audyssey's popular room correction solutions. That powerful – arguably crucial – Audyssey relationship came to an end in 2014 when Onkyo introduced its own proprietary solution called AccuEQ. In many ways, that move best captures how Onkyo (and Pioneer, with its MCACC room correction) began two lose luster in the eyes of hardcore home theater enthusiasts. Despite excellent technologies and amp performance, competing brands offered correction solutions that were viewed as better options.
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Fast forward to September 2020, and AV NIRVANA reported a newly formed relationship between Onkyo, Pioneer, and Dirac Research. Dirac, one of the heaviest hitters in the room correction biz, is fresh off releasing its latest software (Dirac Live 2.0) designed to be more user-friendly and capable of accepting add-on modules (like Bass Control) as they become available.

This isn't the first time Dirac has been linked to one or the other brand, which left some wondering if Onkyo's announcement was destined to crash. But, we're here to attest: it's real. As of now, we can only confirm the inclusion of Dirac Live on the majority of Onkyo, Elite, and Integra 2021 models; however, Dirac's Bass Control module might be part of the deal. That's a wait-and-see detail. More on that, soon.

After combing through specifications for Onkyo, Integra, and Pioneer Elite's latest, it appears that two of three Elite models, two of three Integra models, and two of four Onkyo models will support Dirac Live. Those models lacking support will feature MCACC or AccuEQ and some combination of subwoofer, phase control, and immersive sound EQ.

From a manufacturing perspective, the inclusion of licensed technology on mid- to higher-end models makes perfect sense. And, from an enthusiast's perspective, the ability to access Dirac capabilities at price points hovering around $1,000 is extremely attractive. This is a huge win for consumers because it opens the door to more options on the market, and the fact they're well-regarded brands is a major plus.

The other exciting inclusion is true HDMI 2.1 performance. 2.1 allows for 4K/120Hz and 8K video, an advanced gaming experience (think Variable Refresh Rate, Auto Low Latency Mode, and Quick Frame Transport), and support for features such as Enhanced Audio Return Channel. More importantly, Hawkins says the HDMI 2.1 chipset used in 2021 Onkyo, Integra, and Elite models will not suffer from the same bug weighing down brands that sourced Panasonic HDMI 2.1 chipsets for the 2020 model year. For a full breakdown of HDMI 2.1 input/output availability across all models, click here.

Physically speaking, 2021's crop of Pioneer Elite receivers looks nearly identical to its last model run of LX-xx4 gear. Each model has a gorgeous brushed aluminum front panel with robust volume and selector knobs, a bottom flip-down cover that conceals inputs and buttons, and Pioneer's classic orange display. Fans of the brand will be quick to note a refreshed remote control design, which is more simplified than past Elite remotes.

The VSX-LX505 (Projected-Minimum Advertised Price $1199) is Elite's flagship model, boasting 9.2-channel Class AB performance (120 watts per channel, 8 ohms, 2ch driven) with 11.2-channels of processing for 7.2.4 immersive sound when paired with an outboard amp. It's fully compatible with IMAX Enhanced, Dolby Atmos, DTS:X, legacy codecs, and associated upmixers. It also offers compatibility with a wide array of Hi-Res audio files. On the video front, the LX505 is HDR10+ and Dolby Vision-friendly, delivers HD upscaling (1080p to 4K/8K and 4K to 8K), and houses seven HDMI inputs and two outputs. Interestingly, Elite now offers access to DTS Play-Fi and Chromecast built-in, along with Apple AirPlay 2, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, and support of most mainstream music services (including Amazon HD, Spotify, TIDAL, and Sonos systems). And if voice control suits your fancy, it's compatible with both Alexa and Google voice control, too.

The only notable and confirmed omission from the LX-505 is support for Auro-3D (this holds true for other Elite models as well as Onkyo/Integra's new AVRs). You might also notice that mentions of MQA and Qobuz are absent. Here's where things stand on both of those fronts: MQA is currently supported on the Pioneer Elite SX-N30 (no longer available in the US), Onkyo's TX-8260 and TX-8270, and Integra's DTM-6 and DTM-7. While each of those legacy receivers is a 2-channel model, there remains a possibility that native MQA support will find its way to some 2021 multi-channel models. As for Qobuz, built-in support isn't offered, but owners can stream Qobuz to any 2021 Elite, Onkyo, or Integra receiver via DTS Play-Fi and its Hi-Res capable Critical Listening Mode. To simplify the experience, this mode can be accessed using the free Pioneer and Onkyo Music Control apps (Apple and Android).

The VSX-LX305 (P-MAP $999) is also a 9.2-channel receiver loaded with most of the same capabilities as the LX505, minus the additional 2-channels of processing and a 100 watts per channel amp section. And the VSX-LX105 slides in for $300 less (P-MAP $699), with 7.2-channels of performance and the promise of 100 watts per channel (8 ohms, 2ch driven). Unlike the LX505 and LX305, the LX105 doesn't offer Dirac Live, slotting MCACC with Phase Control and Subwoofer EQ in its place.

All three Elite models feature advanced custom integration tools, including remote access to system information, web UI set-up, and compatibility with a broad array of integration partners.

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Onkyo's four-model lineup starts with the 7.2 channel TX-NR5100 (P-MAP $499) and ends with the 9.2-channel TX-RZ50 (P-MAP $1099). The TX-RZ50, much like the 9.2-channel TX-NR7100 (P-MAP $899) and 7.2-channel TX-NR6100 (P-MAP $699), is THX Select Certified and loaded to the brim with onboard support for the same immersive sound and streaming capabilities found on Elite's gear (including DTS Play-Fi and Chromecast built-in). It boasts a beefy 120 watts per channel (8 ohms, 2ch driven) and a wide frequency response (5Hz to 100kHz), drawing power from Dynamic Audio Amplification (DAA) RZ Series technology.

If your goal is to deploy a 7.2.4 system, the TX-RZ50 can process up to 11.2 channels with multichannel pre-outs for 11.2 playback. It's also HDR 10+ and Dolby Vision compatible.

The NR6100 and NR7100 are similarly equipped but carry lesser amplifier capabilities (100 watts per channel, 8 ohms, 2ch driven) and lack additional channel processing and multichannel pre-outs. In comparison, the NR5100 uses discrete 2-stage power amplifier circuitry to deliver 80 watts per channel. The NR5100 and NR6100 are devoid of Dirac, favoring AccuEQ Room Acoustic Calibration with AccuReflex phase correction and subwoofer EQ instead.

Style-wise, all four Onkyo receivers drip with Onkyo's tell-tale physical features and – not surprisingly – utilize a remote control identical to that of Elite.

Lastly, the integrator-friendly Integra lineup is burdened with the largest projected price tags, with the 9.2-channel DRX-5.4 commanding $1,900 P-MAP. With physical features looking similar to past models, its three new models are similarly equipped to Onkyo's best offerings, with the addition of key custom integration features. Those features include set-up and IP control via a web browser, a dealer settings memory/recall function, and compatibility with Crestron, Control4, Savant, URC, ELAN, and RTI automation.

Pricing for the 9.2-channel DRX3.4 and 7.2-channel DRX-2.4 is $1200 P-MAP and $800 P-MAP, respectively.

That leaves us with Pioneer's non-Elite branded gear, which is notably missing from action. There's an outside shot we might have some model news to share later this year, but Pioneer is holding its cards close to its chest. As for Onkyo, Integra, and Elite, we'll likely see a three-tier rollout during 2021, with the third phase happening closer to the August/September timeframe. According to Hawkins, nothing is set in stone (yet), but 11 Trading Company is close to finalizing a launch schedule.

With pricing ranging from $899 to $1,199, all four of the Elite and Onkyo top-end models are positioned to be highly competitive. The additions of Dirac, Play-Fi, Chromecast built-in, IMAX Enhanced, and true HDMI 2.1 performance are just a few of this group's highlights. While I predict Onkyo's TX-NR7100 and TX-RZ50 receivers will prove to be the most popular of the bunch, there's plenty of positives when considering the entire line's budget-oriented options. Elite's VSX-LX105 (P-MAP $699) is also one to keep your eye on, particularly because of its healthy amp section.



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Elite VSX-505
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Onkyo TX-RZ50
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Onkyo TX-NR7100
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Onkyo TX-NR6100
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Onkyo TX-NR5100
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Integra DRX-5.4
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My list of rumours (which I might be guilty of starting, or perpetuating.... they may simply be a wishful thinking list):

DIRAC DLBC - with 2 independent, controllable Sub outs (RZ70 - and maybe just maybe 4 sub outs for the RZ90)
DIRAC Unison - new fangled RoomEQ that uses all speakers to balance each other out
All the decoder standards around ... Auro3D, Atmos, DSU, THX, IMAX - everything that can be licenced
Top Flight DAC's - and possibly high end ADC's as well (that would be nice!)
Onboard DSP running at 96kHz (right now all the models run at 48khz, and if any EQ or processing is activated, signals get downsampled if they are over 48kHz... it would be nice to be able to apply EQ etc... without any downsampling and associated artifacts!)
Prepro and RZ90 get torroidal transformer
Prepro gets XLR outputs
All non XLR pre-outs capable of 4V to 6V

Anyone want to add to the wish list?
 

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As far as I know, there's no new imminent. But, that probably means that news will drop this week ;-)
 

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As far as I know, there's no new imminent. But, that probably means that news will drop this week ;-)
I'm hoping they introduce a successor to the SC-LX904. Basically looking for the Class D amplification with the new bells and whistles that the LX-505 has.
 

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I'm hoping they introduce a successor to the SC-LX904. Basically looking for the Class D amplification with the new bells and whistles that the LX-505 has.

I’m not convinced we’ll see Class D re-emerge any time soon.
 

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All the rumours show the new Pioneers are VSX-LX, not SC-LX.... there is nothing there that might hint at a return to class D :(
 

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All the rumours show the new Pioneers are VSX-LX, not SC-LX.... there is nothing there that might hint at a return to class D :(
This.
Although it might also indicate that Pioneer wants to streamline the branding, if they were serious about it, they would have split the lineup into two brands like Onkyo did with TX-NR and TX-RZ:
VSX-xx5
LX-xx5

As for D class amplification, it will be more than enough if the preamplifier feeding mesh allows them to be freely configurable and if you can completely turn off unneeded internal amplifiers.
 

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All the rumours show the new Pioneers are VSX-LX, not SC-LX.... there is nothing there that might hint at a return to class D :(

For the time being, it's Class A/B. If these two lines have massive success, we might get lucky and see more diversification (such as Class D to Pio). But, for now, it's looking like they'll need to share quite a bit.
 

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An AV preprocessor might indicate* that it will share the architecture with TX-RZ70 and TX-RZ90 (and Pioneer LX705 and LX905 and respective Integra models), but being a more niche product, having the associated halo status and due to the need of including balanced outputs (so it will have bespoke output stages), it could still be more expensive than all AVRs. Or it could cost as little as RZ70/LX705 level, but that's unlikely.
That said, a if they share the architecture between these high end units, the input mesh feeding the preamplifiers would probably be fully configurable also on the top AVRs.

*) Because a preprocessor is a very niche product, making it a completely separate development would not make sense in terms of costs incurred. Therefore, it only makes sense if 7 and 9 level AVRs are essentially preprocessors with bolted on amplifiers.
 
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Typically in the past, the Onkyo / Integra pre pro was identical to the TOTL AVR, with the amps ripped out and replaced by a balanced output circuit board - leaving a heck of a lot of unused airspace in the case...

But in cost terms, I would be surprised if the cost of an ouput board and connectors, were to be more than the savings from removing heatsinks, connectors, amp circuit boards etc... - in other words, it should, in theory, be priceable on a par with the RZ70.... given low volumes, and search for margins, it would be more likely to align in price with the RZ90 though. (and plenty of manufacturers have a history of using the "specialised" and "audiophile" pre-pro, as an excuse to make heaps more margin... resulting in the prepro's being more expensive than the top AVR's - even when their "guts" are identical....)
 

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I really hope they don't go this route but instead offer something different, like offer a preprocessor priced comparably to RZ70, but also offer a lineup of dedicated amplifiers (like large stereo, small stereo, 5/7-channel and 11-channel) and make their margins through those. They could even provide a dedicated multipin output (balanced) on the preprocessor and a matching dedicated input on the amplifiers so that you can use a single connection instead of connecting with multiple cables.
 

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They could even provide a dedicated multipin output (balanced) on the preprocessor and a matching dedicated input on the amplifiers so that you can use a single connection instead of connecting with multiple cables.
I could see that coming from Quad or Linn, but it seems to me like it would be alien to Onkyo...
 

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I could see that coming from Quad or Linn, but it seems to me like it would be alien to Onkyo...
I know. It's either "cheap hi-fi component system" vibe or "ultra high end" with nothing in between, and, being realistic, Onkyo probably can't hope to change that opinion, even though it would be incredibly useful. A multipin output on a 17* channel (13.4) preprocessor could carry all channels except for LFE and front L/R and it could have options for an 11-channel amplifier or separate 2+5 or 7-channel and an additional 4 or 6-channel amplifiers and could supply all needed cables with the preprocessor (or with the applicable power amplifiers).

Looking at revenue potential, it seems counterintuitive to offer a preprocessor and not offer amplifiers to match, which is why I think Onkyo will offer a more complete lineup than last time.

*) For those that think 17 channels is not realistic because it would compete way above current consumer high end (Arcam), it's just Atmos 7.4.6 or 9.4.4 or something like 7.4.4 with extra two outputs dedicated to DTS:X specific speakers.
A truly unrealistic system would offer 16+ channels but they would be configurable and would freely switch between Atmos, DTS:X and Auro 3D layouts, with an amplifier mesh controlled centrally by a serial connection.
Still, 9 low channels (with front wide speakers) are deprecated by Dolby, so they don't need to be supported even by flagship solutions.
 

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Is there any reason why the new listed price for the Pioneer VSX-105 is now about $70 dollars more than the Onkyo TX-NR6100? The Onkyo appears comparable in every way and it has the THX certification, while the Pioneer does not. Is the cost difference possibly a cosmetic one? Any advice would be greatly appreciated in helping me make a purchase decision between the Two. Thanx...
 
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Is there any reason why the new listed price for the Pioneer VSX-105 is now about $70 dollars more than the Onkyo TX-NR6100? The Onkyo appears comparable in every way and it has the THX certification, while the Pioneer does not. Is the cost difference possibly a cosmetic one? Any advice would be greatly appreciated in helping me make a purchase decision between the Two. Thanx...
In some places, the Integra 3.4 has been cheaper than the NR7100 or LX305... Right now the RZ50 is cheaper than the LX305 in Australia...

Some of it may just be marketing / sales - slight differentials between different distribution channels - also possible differences between the rate at which price rises are passed on and filtered through the distribution chain... (the different brands get announced at slightly different times - which can result in some pricing odities)

All I would say is, negotiate, and if you see a really good deal, grab it, while it lasts!
 

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Now that these receivers have been out for about 6ish months… just curious what the owners other than me think about them… any new problems etc :)
 

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About to flip a coin between the Onkyo Tx-NR6100 & the Pioneer Elite VSX-105. Any advice on which of the two an AV NIRVANA member would recommend would be greatly appreciated.
 

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About to flip a coin between the Onkyo Tx-NR6100 & the Pioneer Elite VSX-105. Any advice on which of the two an AV NIRVANA member would recommend would be greatly appreciated.
I would strongly recommend taking the plunge and going up a notch to the Onkyo NR7100, Pioneer LX305 or Integra 3.4.

Main thing you gain is Dirac... but that one thing makes a substantial difference - noticeable and substantial improvement in sound quality!
 

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Any idea why the TX- NR6100 Onkyo receiver has two different back panel photos on different webpages. Most distributors and their webpages display the six HDMI inputs separated. The first three 8k, and the next three 4K. While Crutchfield’s webpage shows all six HDMI inputs NOT separated. It’s the same model but a slightly different back panel configuration. Are there two versions out there?
 

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Interesting. If it was the other way around ("first look" pictures with divider and actual product photos with the divider), I would suspect they updated the captions to more clearly distinguish the groups of inputs, but I've no idea why it went this way.
 

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I can't wait for my preordered RZ50 anymore. Waited 8 months now. Going NR7100.
 

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Quad 606
Computer Audio
HTPC with MediaMonkey
Front Speakers
Anthony Gallo Reference 3.1
Center Channel Speaker
Anthony Gallo Reference AV Center
Surround Speakers
PSB Alpha
Screen
Sony X90H
I went Integra 3.4 - as I wanted the pre-outs...
 

Moonwatcher

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Oct 31, 2021
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I’m a very happy new owner of the TX-NR 6100. Although, other than the Blu-ray/ movie settings, I’m a bit intimidated by all the possible music mode settings. Any suggestions out there for the superior vocal/ music experience?
 

dlaloum

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Oct 8, 2021
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Preamp, Processor or Receiver
Integra DTR 70.4
Main Amp
Integra DTR 70.4 / Crown XLS2500
Additional Amp
Quad 606
Computer Audio
HTPC with MediaMonkey
Front Speakers
Anthony Gallo Reference 3.1
Center Channel Speaker
Anthony Gallo Reference AV Center
Surround Speakers
PSB Alpha
Screen
Sony X90H
I'm mostly using Dolby Surround for Music - or switching back to Stereo.
Avoiding Direct as it would bypass the RoomEQ /Speaker EQ adjustments.

I don't think it is as good as the old Dolby PLII - for music - but of the options available it seems the best.
 
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