Onkyo, Pioneer Elite, and Integra Deep Dive: A Fresh Look at the Brands’ Latest AV Receivers

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(March 3, 2021) The road to 2021 has been bumpy for Onkyo Corporation and its associated brands (Onkyo, Integra, Pioneer, and Pioneer Elite). Rewind two years, and the company was on the cusp of being acquired by Sound United, a deal that would have positioned all four brands alongside the likes of Marantz, Denon, and Classe'. And if 2020's international COVID crisis wasn't rough enough, Onkyo made the difficult decision to shutter its US distribution subsidiary, ultimately agreeing to sell its distribution assets to a new name in the game.

Now, following months of silence, rumors, and speculation, Onkyo and Pioneer have officially re-emerged behind the strength of its new US-based distributor, 11 Trading Company, and the solid foundation of a deeper business relationship. To help make sense of that relationship's structure, here's a quick breakdown of the companies involved and how they're related: 11 Trading Company is a subsidiary of Klipsch, and Klipsch is owned by Voxx. Onkyo and Voxx have a healthy history born from an arrangement that empowers Onkyo to distribute Klipsch products in Japan. Thus, both companies' natural move was to expand their alliance by reversing that arrangement in the North American market. That's how 11 Trading Company entered the picture; they were created to lead the charge.

I recently had an opportunity to chat with 11 Trading Company's Rolf Hawkins (Product Manager) and Mike Bohner (Digital Marketing Manager), and the conversation was teeming with positive energy and optimism. Hawkins, an industry veteran with a background that includes work on Pioneer's legendary Kuro plasma TVs, is tasked with guiding the development of next-gen Onkyo and Pioneer AV receivers. Both he and Bohner say all systems are primed and ready to launch Onkyo Corporation back into the conversation.

The best news born from the discussion is that Onkyo and Pioneer are alive and well. In fact, it's safe to say a forward-thinking team of designers has reinvigorated both brands. As Hawkins eluded, the end goal has been to craft a new line of receivers loaded with features to competitively satisfy customer and integrator demands (such as a web-based user interface) while making sure the latest and greatest in audio and video technologies are accommodated. This, of course, is extremely exciting, especially considering the pedigree each brand brings to the table.

Pioneer's rich past includes ushering Class D amplification into mainstream popularity. Nearly 14 years ago, it joined forces with THX to evaluate Class D designs, hoping to make chassis more compact, discover higher output capabilities, and improve fidelity. THX ultimately identified areas needing improvement, including frequency response, distortion, and noise, which led to a solution-seeking collaboration between Pioneer and ICEpower. The resulting 2008 class of Pioneer Elite receivers became the first THX Certified products to feature Class D technology.

On the other hand, Onkyo is a revered brand known for honest power specs and extremely competent performance. And, of course, it's a name that was closely tied to Audyssey's popular room correction solutions. That powerful – arguably crucial – Audyssey relationship came to an end in 2014 when Onkyo introduced its own proprietary solution called AccuEQ. In many ways, that move best captures how Onkyo (and Pioneer, with its MCACC room correction) began two lose luster in the eyes of hardcore home theater enthusiasts. Despite excellent technologies and amp performance, competing brands offered correction solutions that were viewed as better options.
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Fast forward to September 2020, and AV NIRVANA reported a newly formed relationship between Onkyo, Pioneer, and Dirac Research. Dirac, one of the heaviest hitters in the room correction biz, is fresh off releasing its latest software (Dirac Live 2.0) designed to be more user-friendly and capable of accepting add-on modules (like Bass Control) as they become available.

This isn't the first time Dirac has been linked to one or the other brand, which left some wondering if Onkyo's announcement was destined to crash. But, we're here to attest: it's real. As of now, we can only confirm the inclusion of Dirac Live on the majority of Onkyo, Elite, and Integra 2021 models; however, Dirac's Bass Control module might be part of the deal. That's a wait-and-see detail. More on that, soon.

After combing through specifications for Onkyo, Integra, and Pioneer Elite's latest, it appears that two of three Elite models, two of three Integra models, and two of four Onkyo models will support Dirac Live. Those models lacking support will feature MCACC or AccuEQ and some combination of subwoofer, phase control, and immersive sound EQ.

From a manufacturing perspective, the inclusion of licensed technology on mid- to higher-end models makes perfect sense. And, from an enthusiast's perspective, the ability to access Dirac capabilities at price points hovering around $1,000 is extremely attractive. This is a huge win for consumers because it opens the door to more options on the market, and the fact they're well-regarded brands is a major plus.

The other exciting inclusion is true HDMI 2.1 performance. 2.1 allows for 4K/120Hz and 8K video, an advanced gaming experience (think Variable Refresh Rate, Auto Low Latency Mode, and Quick Frame Transport), and support for features such as Enhanced Audio Return Channel. More importantly, Hawkins says the HDMI 2.1 chipset used in 2021 Onkyo, Integra, and Elite models will not suffer from the same bug weighing down brands that sourced Panasonic HDMI 2.1 chipsets for the 2020 model year. For a full breakdown of HDMI 2.1 input/output availability across all models, click here.

Physically speaking, 2021's crop of Pioneer Elite receivers looks nearly identical to its last model run of LX-xx4 gear. Each model has a gorgeous brushed aluminum front panel with robust volume and selector knobs, a bottom flip-down cover that conceals inputs and buttons, and Pioneer's classic orange display. Fans of the brand will be quick to note a refreshed remote control design, which is more simplified than past Elite remotes.

The VSX-LX505 (Projected-Minimum Advertised Price $1199) is Elite's flagship model, boasting 9.2-channel Class AB performance (120 watts per channel, 8 ohms, 2ch driven) with 11.2-channels of processing for 7.2.4 immersive sound when paired with an outboard amp. It's fully compatible with IMAX Enhanced, Dolby Atmos, DTS:X, legacy codecs, and associated upmixers. It also offers compatibility with a wide array of Hi-Res audio files. On the video front, the LX505 is HDR10+ and Dolby Vision-friendly, delivers HD upscaling (1080p to 4K/8K and 4K to 8K), and houses seven HDMI inputs and two outputs. Interestingly, Elite now offers access to DTS Play-Fi and Chromecast built-in, along with Apple AirPlay 2, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, and support of most mainstream music services (including Amazon HD, Spotify, TIDAL, and Sonos systems). And if voice control suits your fancy, it's compatible with both Alexa and Google voice control, too.

The only notable and confirmed omission from the LX-505 is support for Auro-3D (this holds true for other Elite models as well as Onkyo/Integra's new AVRs). You might also notice that mentions of MQA and Qobuz are absent. Here's where things stand on both of those fronts: MQA is currently supported on the Pioneer Elite SX-N30 (no longer available in the US), Onkyo's TX-8260 and TX-8270, and Integra's DTM-6 and DTM-7. While each of those legacy receivers is a 2-channel model, there remains a possibility that native MQA support will find its way to some 2021 multi-channel models. As for Qobuz, built-in support isn't offered, but owners can stream Qobuz to any 2021 Elite, Onkyo, or Integra receiver via DTS Play-Fi and its Hi-Res capable Critical Listening Mode. To simplify the experience, this mode can be accessed using the free Pioneer and Onkyo Music Control apps (Apple and Android).

The VSX-LX305 (P-MAP $999) is also a 9.2-channel receiver loaded with most of the same capabilities as the LX505, minus the additional 2-channels of processing and a 100 watts per channel amp section. And the VSX-LX105 slides in for $300 less (P-MAP $699), with 7.2-channels of performance and the promise of 100 watts per channel (8 ohms, 2ch driven). Unlike the LX505 and LX305, the LX105 doesn't offer Dirac Live, slotting MCACC with Phase Control and Subwoofer EQ in its place.

All three Elite models feature advanced custom integration tools, including remote access to system information, web UI set-up, and compatibility with a broad array of integration partners.

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Onkyo's four-model lineup starts with the 7.2 channel TX-NR5100 (P-MAP $499) and ends with the 9.2-channel TX-RZ50 (P-MAP $1099). The TX-RZ50, much like the 9.2-channel TX-NR7100 (P-MAP $899) and 7.2-channel TX-NR6100 (P-MAP $699), is THX Select Certified and loaded to the brim with onboard support for the same immersive sound and streaming capabilities found on Elite's gear (including DTS Play-Fi and Chromecast built-in). It boasts a beefy 120 watts per channel (8 ohms, 2ch driven) and a wide frequency response (5Hz to 100kHz), drawing power from Dynamic Audio Amplification (DAA) RZ Series technology.

If your goal is to deploy a 7.2.4 system, the TX-RZ50 can process up to 11.2 channels with multichannel pre-outs for 11.2 playback. It's also HDR 10+ and Dolby Vision compatible.

The NR6100 and NR7100 are similarly equipped but carry lesser amplifier capabilities (100 watts per channel, 8 ohms, 2ch driven) and lack additional channel processing and multichannel pre-outs. In comparison, the NR5100 uses discrete 2-stage power amplifier circuitry to deliver 80 watts per channel. The NR5100 and NR6100 are devoid of Dirac, favoring AccuEQ Room Acoustic Calibration with AccuReflex phase correction and subwoofer EQ instead.

Style-wise, all four Onkyo receivers drip with Onkyo's tell-tale physical features and – not surprisingly – utilize a remote control identical to that of Elite.

Lastly, the integrator-friendly Integra lineup is burdened with the largest projected price tags, with the 9.2-channel DRX-5.4 commanding $1,900 P-MAP. With physical features looking similar to past models, its three new models are similarly equipped to Onkyo's best offerings, with the addition of key custom integration features. Those features include set-up and IP control via a web browser, a dealer settings memory/recall function, and compatibility with Crestron, Control4, Savant, URC, ELAN, and RTI automation.

Pricing for the 9.2-channel DRX3.4 and 7.2-channel DRX-2.4 is $1200 P-MAP and $800 P-MAP, respectively.

That leaves us with Pioneer's non-Elite branded gear, which is notably missing from action. There's an outside shot we might have some model news to share later this year, but Pioneer is holding its cards close to its chest. As for Onkyo, Integra, and Elite, we'll likely see a three-tier rollout during 2021, with the third phase happening closer to the August/September timeframe. According to Hawkins, nothing is set in stone (yet), but 11 Trading Company is close to finalizing a launch schedule.

With pricing ranging from $899 to $1,199, all four of the Elite and Onkyo top-end models are positioned to be highly competitive. The additions of Dirac, Play-Fi, Chromecast built-in, IMAX Enhanced, and true HDMI 2.1 performance are just a few of this group's highlights. While I predict Onkyo's TX-NR7100 and TX-RZ50 receivers will prove to be the most popular of the bunch, there's plenty of positives when considering the entire line's budget-oriented options. Elite's VSX-LX105 (P-MAP $699) is also one to keep your eye on, particularly because of its healthy amp section.



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Elite VSX-505
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Probably not going to be of interest to everyone, but just in case you're keeping track:

 

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It's not going to happen in the first release or any time soon. Those brands have barely managed to survive, so we need to keep our expectations in check. Tokyo Stock Exchange has issued an official statement that Onkyo Corp. could be delisted from the trading floor in July this year. Whether this is going to happen, it remains to be seen. Their current share unit value is almost 0$. Articles are below.
Onkyo's troubles in Tokyo Stock Exchange
Onkyo's challenging situation on TSE
Realistically, this means that the US distributor will need to issue written assurances to all future customers that robust long-term product support will be in place for all new receivers coming into the market. This includes warranty periods, guaranted access to parts that can replaced/purchased, written confirmation of after sales support and explicit repair terms & conditions.

It's hard to say what this all means. I've asked questions about it and was told not to read too much into it. Without knowing inside details, it's impossible for anyone to accurately assess. I'm sure all of us would like it to be a positive outcome.
 

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Just signed up specifically because of this thread. You seem to have the best inside knowledge and actually providing information instead of the press release every other site is posting. Thank you.
I'm an Onkyo "sound" guy that only uses an AVR for movies/TV. I've replaced many units with HDMI and other failures, but have never found an AVR that sounds like an Onkyo, so I keep buying them. My RZ820 just suffered a failure, and with no Onkyo products available, replaced it with a Marantz 6014. I absolutely hate the way it sounds. Dull, flat, lifeless, compared to the Onkyo. I've tried everything, just can't get it to sound like an Onkyo.
When I heard the TX-RZ50 would be available in June, I was ecstatic. My concern is that none of these units are on the official Onkyo website. How can press material be available, but the manufacture doesn't even have it on there own web page?
You seem to have a good inside track, any idea on the release date, meaning really June, late June, maybe July?!
I've got a window to return this 6014, and trying to squeak it until the RZ50 hits, but if it looks like it's going to push from June, I'll have to figure out something different. Thanks again for providing the inside info.
 

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@340Cuda, welcome to the forum! Glad you're here.

I wouldn't be too concerned about the products not appearing on the official website. The release date schedule has been fairly vague, despite some sites reporting exact months. Let me see if I can get some updated info...
 

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Would like the same answer for Pioneer. can’t find anything official about their new receivers.

@340Cuda, welcome to the forum! Glad you're here.

I wouldn't be too concerned about the products not appearing on the official website. The release date schedule has been fairly vague, despite some sites reporting exact months. Let me see if I can get some updated info...
 

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Right now, neither company has posted new models to their websites.

I just heard back from Onkyo --- still not ready to share exact launch dates. That's about as up to date as you can get. So, if you're reading exact dates elsewhere, I wouldn't believe them. Wish there was more definitive information to provide you. COVID is likely making things more complicated than normal.

If I had to guess, we'll probably have a summer launch followed by a pause, then a fall launch right around CEDIA (early September). It's not uncommon for manufacturers to reveal mid-range and lower end AVR models first, with high-end models hitting the market in the fall. But, with everything being so wacky, it's really hard to say how Onkyo and Pioneer will be hauntingly things.

I'll update this thread as soon as something gets the green light.
 

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Luckily, I am not the odd one out who has asked for this to be demoed officially. There is a positive pressure, and rightly so, for those features to be finally delivered correctly and reliably, after the fiasco last year; otherwise it's a no go. Trinnov is currently testing the same HDMI 2.1 chipset featured in new Onkyo/Pioneer/Integra receivers. It's going to be interesting to see whether they also decide to upgrade their boards with the same chips. That would be telling. It's useful to be aware of this. Fingers crossed it works.

Please have a look into my posts from this thread (numbers are below), where you can find relevant details on how VRR needs to work to secure universal compatibility with any graphics configuration. I also gave details on how reviewers, previously unfamiliar with modern graphics features in AVRs, should approach reviewing new AV receivers and scrutinise graphics pass-through in video department.
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Still waiting on a detailed response. One may or may not come.

It sounds like the folks at 11 Trading have seen some evidence of these various 2.1 features being demoed.

Not sure if we'll ever get a detailed answer, but I'll keep the conversation alive.
 

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Thanks Todd, very informative thread! I have my eyes on the TX-RZ50, of course because it looks like it’s going to be a very nice receiver but mostly because I want my home cinema set to be part of a Sonos multi room setup and the onkyo family is the only line up with official “works with Sonos badge” (meaning auto input switching and volume control from the Sonos app). I am a bit hesitant though, since I am afraid for delay’s in sound. I currently have a Yamaha that imposes a slight delay. Is there a statement from onkyo how this will be with the new amps considering it has the “works with Sonos” badge?

And, second question, will they be available in Europe (the Netherlands)?
 
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Hi @Rubenvdz, glad you're here! Got some info for you.

Your European distributor is https://www.aqipa.com/en/pioneer-onkyo. So, it looks like the answer to your question is "yes," they will be available in Europe.

As for Sonos. I'm assuming you have a Sonos connect device linked to your Yamaha? Unfortunately, audio delays have been a problem with those kinds of setups.
I'm told the Works With Sonos integration does not have any audio delays. They said: "we have run up 7 Sonos devices at the same time in our lab, including Ones and Beams, Ports and Connects (and that new IKEA/SONOS speaker), and not experienced any audio delays during playback."

Looks like you're in luck!
 

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A quick update:
New preproduction samples and firmware are currently being tested... appparently it's all systems go.
 

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I just heard back from Onkyo --- still not ready to share exact launch dates. That's about as up to date as you can get. So, if you're reading exact dates elsewhere, I wouldn't believe them. Wish there was more definitive information to provide you.
No company is able to provide a definitive date at the moment, including high-end AVRs. Perhaps Yamaha in a month or so. They are all testing second gen of HDMI 2.1 boards to try to get things right finally. I think all 2021 AVRs with second gen of HDMI 2.1 chips cannot afford not to work well and reliably, no matter what source is plugged in. There are at least 5 HDMI 2.1 sources to check during testing - two consoles, two sets of graphics cards and new HDMI 2.1 laptops. Following the embarrassment last year..., this needs to get sorted out and there is no excuse this time that there are no sources to test with.

In terms of HDMI 2.1 features, currently tested and unreleased AVRs have a major headache with getting VRR/Gsync/Freesync working smoothly with HDR signal in pass-through mode. None of released receivers last year was able to get this right, despite the fact that XboxX console can output 4K120 HDR+RGB+Sync to capable TVs without any hick-ups (40 Gbps). If new AVRs can't get this combination of features right, it's going to be bad for consumer market and they'd better not market AVRs again to gaming/PC sector, as people will go ballistic again with patchy support for computer graphics pass-through.

The challenge for new AVRs is that companies want to "insert" their big AV boxes in-between a well-established source-sink direct video link that took several painful years to perfect. AVRs want to break this link and form a chain, for example console-AVR-TV or PC-AVR-monitor or laptop-AVR-TV. To do that successfully and reliably, they must get combinations of features in video pipeline right, otherwise that segment of market is never going to trust them to be able to deliver on marketing. They cannot tell us again to route video through TV and use eARC, as that defeates the purpose of having AVR in the first place. If there is no reliable Sync passing through together with HDR at 4K120 RGB, it's no go device for that segment of market and people will continue to avoid buying AVRs due to unreliable video chain. It is as simple as that.
 
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1001% looking forward to the release of the rz50 .

Current owner of a marantz 7010 which recently developed a fault so I had to pull my trusty 818 out of the closet , my god it puts the 7010 to shame .

Onkyo with latest working hdmi ( hopefully ) & Atmos/DTS:X & Dirac should rock
 

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Thanks for the very insightful topic.
As a Pioneer user, of their Class-D receiver (SC-LX704) and a fan of what MCACC does to my current and also previous room does, I am looking forward to the developments.
To be honest I am not 100% sure yet if Dirac is going to give us a big improvement, especially because Dirac is PC depended if I am correct and that does introduce a lot of more complexations which is not always better for all users.
Although I am fully aware of the fact that the latest version of Pioneer's MCACC Pro, found on for example my SC-LX704 is somewhat crippled compared to the last SC-LX series which where just with 2 digits, in EU that was the SC-LX89(in the US the Elite SC-99) if I am correct. That was the last Pioneer receiver built without sharing the inner-workings with a Onkyo or Integra counterpart.
A notable difference between the last non-Onkyo influenced Pioneer and the first and second generation(e.g. SC-LX701,SC-XL801,SC-LX901 for the first and the SC-LX704 and SC-LX904 for the second) is that there are now just 3 MCACC memory slots instead of the regular 5 slots as they where already back in the day of for example the VSX-AX2AV-S(one I had in the past that's why I know it :p, which is the Elite VSX-82TXS in the US if I am correct).

I am however still curious to what Dirac brings us, and how easy to operate it will be made by the efforts of the great minds at Pioneer(and Onkyo of course, but you'll get it I am watching it from the Pioneer point of view :p) if they get it right and user friendly that would be great.

To be honest, I am myself won't upgrade to this first generation of HDMI 2.1 receivers of Pioneer(yes it is in definition a 2nd generation HDMI 2.1 solution, but it's the first for Pioneer/Onkyo/Integra) because my current receiver is still very capable and has E-ARC, so IF I would buy a HDMI 2.1 display I just will use the HDMI ports on the display if I connect HDMI 2.1 capable devices and via E-ARC lossless audio will be transfered.
 

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An article just came out stating that Onkyo is in deep trouble and they’re looking to sell their audio business altogether, the Pioneer brand included.

Considering the utter lack of Pioneer/Onkyo inventory, that’s been going on for about 6 months at this stage, I think their problems are quite serious.

As good as these receivers look on paper - and I was lined up for two - I feel the odds of it happening are rather low…
 

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An article just came out stating that Onkyo is in deep trouble and they’re looking to sell their audio business altogether, the Pioneer brand included.

Considering the utter lack of Pioneer/Onkyo inventory, that’s been going on for about 6 months at this stage, I think their problems are quite serious.

As good as these receivers look on paper - and I was lined up for two - I feel the odds of it happening are rather low…
It's another sad story of lack of innovation in how big AV boxes operate. Think users want to see more modern devices with more connectivity options rather than just bunch of HDMI ports. This connectivity concept is getting outdated, no matter how many channels, how much power and quality DACs are on offer.
 

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It's another sad story of lack of innovation in how big AV boxes operate. Think users want to see more modern devices with more connectivity options rather than just bunch of HDMI ports. This connectivity concept is getting outdated, no matter how many channels, how much power and quality DACs are on offer.

Please not this again. The audio industry got crushed by the switch away from dedicated audio to home theater and then to computers and phones as the primary source for listening. No amount of magic “connectivity options” is going to restore the market to what it was. These days the average person thinks compressed audio over a crappy sound bar or earbuds is state of the art and has no concept of spending money for good sound. They don’t even know what good sound sounds like! Most have never heard a top end system.
 

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Something to keep an eye on. It might not be a bad thing to have Vox takeover.
 

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These days the average person thinks compressed audio over a crappy sound bar or earbuds is state of the art and has no concept of spending money for good sound. They don’t even know what good sound sounds like! Most have never heard a top end system.

You are right that consumer habits regarding sourcing audio have changed. I agree with you. However, AVRs did not respond to this change in a meaningful way. New HDMI boards and a few features here and there are not going to address AVRs' deeper issues. Are consumers to blame for this stagnation of AVRs? It's curious that 'average person' is blamed for lack of progress in AVR industry to modernise and evolve devices beyond HDMI ecosystem. It's like blaming fast-food eaters for not eating in posh restaurants, not because they can't pay for a meal, but because their food taste is judged as crappy and they do not know better. Quite patronising approach to consumers, no?

Most consumers do not really need to hear top end system to enjoy music and that's their right and preference. You are not here in this thread to blame audio habits of people. It's not a place for it. You are here to have an honest and critical look into offer of incoming AVRs, especially now when several companies have been engulfed in shameful HDMI 2.1 fiasco and others are on verge of survival. This is nothing to do with consumers, but with how companies operate in changed world of home theatre entertainment. You are not here to blame consumers' HT preferences, but to assess whether modern AVRs are able to meet market needs and how this could be done, so that AVRs become more popular and respected part of HT. If new AVRs can achieve this, that would be a progress.

Speaking of top end sound, majority of low and mid tier AVRs are not designed as top end systems and show non-trivial distortions and shortcomings in several measurements, if we are to be pedantic about it. This is mostly inaudible and does not prevent listening experience from being enjoyable, unless AVR is pushed to its limits. Top end systems are led by AV processors and amps rather than receivers. This market is super niche, small and often ridiculously expensive. It's not affordable for most people, even if they wanted to indulge. You cannot blame consumers for not being able to afford audio Lamboghinis. So, saying that 'most have never heard a top end system' is meaningless, as more than 99% people on this planet have not heard it at home. It's a non-starter statement that brings nothing to address issues AVRs are facing, let alone by blaming others for the 'industry crush'. By the way, the industry did not 'crush'. It has stable and predicted global growth of 1.1% annually.

Also, latest generation of high quality soundbars are more than capable of delivering ever improving quality of audio experience due to extensive R&D that went into development of those systems. I'd definitely prefer to have one of those systems than buy a cheap receiver from Costco that becomes so hot that you can fry an egg on it. We all know that several AVR companies like to skimp on the quality of various components. It's not surprising that consumers are moving away from AVRs to soundbars. Latest figures show that this industry is growing dynamically and it is already more than twice as big as AVRs are now. It does not need to be like that. Clearly, there is a growing need for decent sound systems and AVRs are not able to attract those people migrating to other solutions that are user-friendly, enjoyable, reliable, less bulky and less envolved in controversies. This is not because they play 'compressed audio' over 'crappy' soundbar systems. There is no evidence of that. Compressed and uncompressed audio is played every single day on AVRs at home too.

The audio industry got crushed by the switch away from dedicated audio to home theater and then to computers and phones as the primary source for listening.

You are right about new sources. There is nothing preventing AVRs and AV processors, originally conceived as a hub media device in HT, to remain in the heart of home theatre. Even with PCs and phones as primary sources of AV, those are just new sources capable of playing and streaming both lossless and lossy AV from various digital and physical platforms. Why not connect it to AVRs more conveniently, beyond HDMI offer? It is mainstream AVRs and processors that have not integrated those sources well into their systems. And here we arrive back to connectivity, new solutions and software development for mass market.

No amount of magic “connectivity options” is going to restore the market to what it was
This is not correct. AVR/AV processor industry needs to restore trust and appeal in the first place, before palling to grow the size of the market. The industry has minute growth as a whole at the moment. It is stagnating at worst. It is not capable of dynamic growth as devices are not entirely fit for modern purpose. That's the challenge for the industry - too expensive and inaccessible high end solutions, reliance on one single (HDMI) digital interface, failures with reliable implementation of HDMI features, deception in marketing, untested products flooding the market, loss of trust, unclear communication with consumers, no new major connectivity solutions, lack of vision how to integrate PC/laptop/phone/tablet sources that most households have, etc.

There is nothing to blame consumers for. Consumers are here observers and users of increasingly odd devices, out of touch devices, and asking questions: "what in the world is going on?", "Why is my receiver buggy?", "Why is company silent about problems?", "Why can I not connect my PC and monitor over DisplayPort port?", "Why is this USB port 2.0 dating back o 2001 still on AVR?", "Why advertised features do not work?", "Why is front HDMI port so slow?", "How do I watch 4K birthday video from my camera with ease and joy if I have to move AVR every time to connect to faster rear port?", "Why are Ethernet port and WiFi chip slow?", "Why is phone/desktop app for AVR rudimentary and underdeveloped?", "Why is web GUI neglected?". People are confused and buffled with non-solutions. Engineers, designers and spin doctors of AVRs really need to have a deep dive into these issues in future models.

The most simple way to increase the appeal of AVRs and processors is to introduce a package of hardware and software solutions over next 5 years in order to start growing dynamically and stop hovering around 1% growth. 'Big black boxes' need to be innovative in the first place to become more attractive. HDMI 2.1 is not innovative. It's another upgrade of existing scheme. Offering Tidal or Qobus is not innovative. It's another music streaming app, etc. Innovations are major shifts, in line with modern home devices usage. Dirac is welcomed, of course, but it needs to come in a package with other solutions, such as better connectivity for everyday usage. My AVR struggles to remain a central hub for home theatre, as I am forced to think of elaborative workarounds to integrate non-HDMI devices in coherent AV system. Using adapters and avoiding video pass-through from PC cannot be right in longer term. PC is becoming central connectivity hub with diverse ports and AVR is pushed into a role of audio peripheral.

Silicon giants, Intel and TSMC, are going to invest more than 150$ billion in next 3-4 years to drive improvements and innovation in industrial and consumer electronics sectors. Every single advanced AV device will need to speed up its gears with silicon and software - better motherboads, faster processing, more complex switching and decoding/transcoding, more diverse interfaces to catter for various devices, beter OS solutions onboard, fully baked apps for desktop, phones and web, working across major operating systems. All this while maintaining bespoke audio support and power delivery for speakers. This is what is needed from AVRs to become fully integrated with PC world in home theatre - a significant R&D investment. In the same way as Intel or Microsoft have their own graphics control centre app for PC, where fine-tuning is taking place for image devices, future AVR need to develop Yamaha/Onkyo/whoever control centre app for PC where hardware and software parametres of AVR can be monitored and fine-tuned by users - codecs, bit rates, sampling, channels, sound modes, switching sources, calibration, zones, regulation of bass, treble, etc. Physical remote control needs to gain its bigger software brother - much improved audio-video control centre application than currently existing ones, with more intimate link between PC and AVR. Something more ambitious than MusicCast or AV controller app; far more ambitious, closer to large software packages we enjoy using for tuning graphics cards.

I hope that current HDMI 2.1 crisis, challenges of the pandemic and disruptive AKM fire can serve as a catalist and reckoning moment for bolder vision and wider modernisation towards 2030. AVRs and AV processors probably have an inevitable journey towards becoming PC-like devices with strong AV and connectivity specialisms, including decoding IP based AV and passing them through to speakers and displays.
 
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Something to keep an eye on. It might not be a bad thing to have Vox takeover.
From your keystrokes to God's ears - perhaps they'll pull a Phoenix-like recovery but they don't seem to have any manufacturing going on whatsoever at the moment, and this has been going on for a while.
 

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They’re actively working on prototypes... the delays from last year are largely due to the AKM Factory fire, which basically saved them from shipping gear with the flawed 2.1 boards... and let’s not forget about our albatross: COVID.

Not downplaying what appears to be financial issues, but you can’t make concrete assumptions from one article. That source makes it look shaky, but there’s a a lot of dynamics going on behind the scenes that might explain some of the issues.

We’ll know more pretty soon.
 

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That AKM fire was a massive hit to a bunch of manufacturers and caused all kinds of delays... ON TOP of COVID, as you mentioned Todd.

Those delays are part of what has caused financial issues for some of these companies. Hopefully they can recover, or someone comes to the rescue.
 

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delays from last year are largely due to the AKM Factory fire, which basically saved them from shipping gear with the flawed 2.1 boards
Do you have any insight into causes that led to flawed chipset designs? Where is the rabbit hole and are we going to understand what actually happened? I mean, it's not a military secret, or it is?
 

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Do you have any insight into causes that led to flawed chipset designs? Where is the rabbit hole and are we going to understand what actually happened? I mean, it's not a military secret, or it is?

I don’t know... they last I heard, the flaw cannot be helped by new firmware. But that could be old news....
 

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They’re actively working on prototypes... the delays from last year are largely due to the AKM Factory fire, which basically saved them from shipping gear with the flawed 2.1 boards... and let’s not forget about our albatross: COVID.

Not downplaying what appears to be financial issues, but you can’t make concrete assumptions from one article. That source makes it look shaky, but there’s a a lot of dynamics going on behind the scenes that might explain some of the issues.

We’ll know more pretty soon.
All good, I just find it extremely worrying that no products are being made. No stock anywhere. Not even high margin stuff, like the expensive Pioneer bluray players which were the only high quality universal players left after Oppo.
 
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