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John Mulcahy

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I was thinking that choosing the measurements in the "all measurements tab" and then apply the filters in the same way as as "cross correlate time align" which is a "multi measurement operation"
I'll add it to the list of things to implement. Perhaps as an option on the predicted overlay graphs, so there is more context for the particular set of measurements selected.
 

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I'll add it to the list of things to implement. Perhaps as an option on the predicted overlay graphs, so there is more context for the particular set of measurements selected.
Amazing thanks.
 

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hi, i'm delighted to find out REW is available on linux!

i've got a bunch of issues/papercuts
(please don't take this as anything but pedantic nitpicking)

this is with early access version 67 on linux with pipewire and a MOTU M4 interface
i haven't checked the 40 page backlog here, sorry if all this has been mentioned before
outputs 1 and 2 are always those set as pipewire's default and i can't use my interface's other 2 outputs
192kHz sampling measurements get a timing offset error (96kHz is highest that works)
"very low signal level on measured" "input is just -6.4dB" "highest should be above -35dBFS" (two pop-ups)
with measurement set to 8 repetitions, soundcard calibration performs 1 sweep but listens for 8
measurement -> calibration files -> long file name displaces browse button on fixed width window?
keep measurement notes for next measurement only updates when you re-check the box ("save for next" button?)
measurement notes get wiped by unchecking the "keep for next measurement" box
shift + enter in text boxes does nothing, maybe accept it as a newline as well?
arrow up on top line of a text field does not go to start of line
last clicked measurement name stays selection highlighted
scrolling on the scroll bars doesn't scroll
right click measurement thumbnail should toggle since there's only 2 modes for the menu? (or present a toggle to guard)
out of memory (exception null Java heap space) claims to exit REW, doesn't exit

and some questions/notes that accumulated in the same file
(some of which i should maybe split off into a different topic)
how to make a single correction for sub and speakers which were measured separately?
RMS average seems to merge the 2 measurements

`export _JAVA_AWT_WM_NONREPARENTING=1` for sway / i3 / etc
fixes alignment of tooltips and dropdown menus

how to set the memory limit on linux?

why is measurement -> method -> noise, unavailable?

scripting / calling from bash?

best equalizer when outputting an IR?
inverted IR seems quite noisy vs IR output from EQ

how to compare the full text of measurement notes?

is there a way to keep the measurement window open for single measurements?

can a contour plot be made? (frequency vs angle vs amplitude)
would ofc. require input about angle data

can filtered IRs be compared / overlayed?
 

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I'll add it to the list of things to implement. Perhaps as an option on the predicted overlay graphs, so there is more context for the particular set of measurements selected.
This would speed things up things greatly especially for surround system work like applying "anti Audyssey high frequency roll off" filter to all speaker measurements at once. I had always thought of this as a totally different procedure to REW's menu logic and wasn't brave enough to request!
 

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i've got a bunch of issues/papercuts

outputs 1 and 2 are always those set as pipewire's default and i can't use my interface's other 2 outputs
Can't help with Linux audio configuration, sorry. Perhaps this comment is relevant.

192kHz sampling measurements get a timing offset error (96kHz is highest that works)
Performance depends on the platform, devices and drivers. REW has been used at 1536 kHz on Linux.

"very low signal level on measured" "input is just -6.4dB" "highest should be above -35dBFS" (two pop-ups)
I would need some context to make any sense of that comment.

with measurement set to 8 repetitions, soundcard calibration performs 1 sweep but listens for 8
Thanks, fixed for the next build.

measurement -> calibration files -> long file name displaces browse button on fixed width window?
Thanks, fixed for the next build.

keep measurement notes for next measurement only updates when you re-check the box ("save for next" button?)
I don't understand that comment.

measurement notes get wiped by unchecking the "keep for next measurement" box
Yes, saving the user having to delete the note manually if it is no longer appropriate. I can change it so the option has no side effect.

shift + enter in text boxes does nothing, maybe accept it as a newline as well?
Standard Java text box behaviour.

arrow up on top line of a text field does not go to start of line
Standard Java text box behaviour.

last clicked measurement name stays selection highlighted
See View preferences.
1689364289026.png


scrolling on the scroll bars doesn't scroll
Correct if referring to the scroll bars around the graph.

right click measurement thumbnail should toggle since there's only 2 modes for the menu? (or present a toggle to guard)
I disagree.

out of memory (exception null Java heap space) claims to exit REW, doesn't exit
What claims to exit?
 

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some questions/notes

how to make a single correction for sub and speakers which were measured separately?
RMS average seems to merge the 2 measurements
Probably better as a separate topic.

`export _JAVA_AWT_WM_NONREPARENTING=1` for sway / i3 / etc
fixes alignment of tooltips and dropdown menus
I'll take your word for that, but sounds platform-dependent so not sure what I should do with the info?

how to set the memory limit on linux?
Besides the installer memory allocation page? You could change the roomeqwizard.vmoptions file (-Xmx)

why is measurement -> method -> noise, unavailable?
Per the tooltip, I haven't implemented it yet.

scripting / calling from bash?
There is none, but there will be a REST API with an associated automatically served OpenAPI specification later this year.

best equalizer when outputting an IR?
I don't understand the question.

inverted IR seems quite noisy vs IR output from EQ
Inversion is not the same as equalisation.

how to compare the full text of measurement notes?
With what?

is there a way to keep the measurement window open for single measurements?
No.

can a contour plot be made? (frequency vs angle vs amplitude)
would ofc. require input about angle data
No.

can filtered IRs be compared / overlayed?
The Overlays window Impulse graph has controls to filter all selected measurements.
 

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wow, i did not expect a response to every point

I would need some context to make any sense of that comment.
on some measurements i get a "very low signal level on measured" pop-up
which contradicts itself by stating that the input is just -6.4 dBFS, but should be above -35 dBFS
(as far as i understand it, -6.4dBFS is above -35dBFS)
a hopefully clarifying screenshot
1689374337438.png

on some occasions i have gotten 2 different pop-ups stating essentially the same thing on a single measurement

I don't understand that comment.
filling in a note and checking the "keep for next measurement" box saves the note for the next measurements
on a subsequent measurement, changing the text of the note, uses that new text for the subsequent measurement
on a third measurement, the first note is used (unless you uncheck "keep for next measurement" (this wipes the note) re-enter the note, and check the "keep" box again)

checking the box acts as a button that saves the note as the default text for subsequent measurements, you have to do it again if you want to changed the saved note

this means you can check the box on an empty note, fill in the note, and the next measurement will have a blank note
where the expected behaviour is that the note that is seen on this measurement will be seen on the next measurement
and when you fill in a note, then disable the "keep" functionality, you lose the note

last clicked measurement name stays selection highlighted
this isn't about trace views, i suspect it's also standard java text box behaviour
i mean that "test" here stays highlighted despite me having my cursor in the next test's note
with this highlighting i expect a backspace to erase test 4's name field, but it'll erase in test 5's note
1689380215477.png


What claims to exit?
on an out of memory pop-up, i get a button "Exit REW", it does not exit REW

i'll make a separate topic for my questions tomorrow, but thanks for answering most of them already!
 

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on some measurements i get a "very low signal level on measured" pop-up
which contradicts itself by stating that the input is just -6.4 dBFS, but should be above -35 dBFS
Those are commas, not decimal points, a level of -6469 dBFS is being picked up which indicates the captured peaks are getting cleared to zero before they are checked. I have fixed that for the next build.

filling in a note and checking the "keep for next measurement" box saves the note for the next measurements
on a subsequent measurement, changing the text of the note, uses that new text for the subsequent measurement
on a third measurement, the first note is used (unless you uncheck "keep for next measurement" (this wipes the note) re-enter the note, and check the "keep" box again)
Got it, fixed for the next build.

i mean that "test" here stays highlighted despite me having my cursor in the next test's not
That must be a Linux runtime behaviour, doesn't happen on Windows or macOS. I can force selection clear on loss of focus.

on an out of memory pop-up, i get a button "Exit REW", it does not exit REW
The Exit is a best efforts option there, after running out of memory the runtime's behaviour isn't very predictable.
 

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Is it possible to update the StormAudio EQ to use 20 eq points

maybe also the Low shelf, high shelf option

this is on a StormAudio isp elite MK3
more eq.png
 
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Builds updated today (ea69) with these changes, partly aimed at reducing the clutter in the graph controls menus by moving actions into a separate, moveable window with an associated Actions button:
  • Added: There is a graph Actions button next to the graph Controls button for graphs which have actions to carry out on the data, including all the Overlay graphs, the SPL & Phase graph and the Impulse graph. The Actions button shows a panel with the action buttons and controls on it that can be repositioned, reducing clutter on the graph.
  • Added: The impulse overlay graph has actions to export all selected IRs as WAV or text
  • Added: The impulse overlay graph, phase overlay graph, All SPL graph and Impulse graph have an action to undo t=0 changes (e.g. time alignment)
  • Added: The All SPL graph has actions to undo SPL alignment
  • Added: The All SPL graph Measurement actions has a button to invert polarity
  • Added: The SPL & Phase graph has an action to undo SPL alignment
  • Added: The phase overlay graph has an action to remove IR delays
  • Changed: Measurements saved from the RTA will be prefixed with the output channel if the REW signal generator is playing and the "Prefix with output" option is selected on the Measure dialog
  • Changed: If the ETC Overlay graph has ETC smoothing active the smoothing will be applied to new measurements
  • Fixed: "Keep notes for next measurement" did not work properly
  • Fixed: A null pointer exception could occur when increasing the number of configurable PEQ filters with no measurements loaded
  • Fixed: Measurements did not show they had been modified after Scale IR data was used
  • Fixed: If sweep repetitions was set higher than one the soundcard calibration measurement would try and capture multiple sweeps
  • Fixed: Very long cal file names caused formatting issues
  • Fixed: Measurement peak levels could be reset to zero before they were checked, causing invalid level warnings to be shown
 

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My new efifcient screen layout after action menu addition:

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and a java exception while removing measurements:


REW V5.20.14 running Azul Systems, Inc. JRE 1.8.0_372 64-bit on Windows 10 Locale: language en, keyboard GB, windows-1252 at 96 DPI


Message:
java.lang.NullPointerException
Stack Trace:
roomeqwizard.OD.B(y:2515)
roomeqwizard.OD.I(y:464)
roomeqwizard.UE$61.actionPerformed(y:2790)
javax.swing.AbstractButton.fireActionPerformed(AbstractButton.java:2022)
javax.swing.AbstractButton$Handler.actionPerformed(AbstractButton.java:2348)
javax.swing.DefaultButtonModel.fireActionPerformed(DefaultButtonModel.java:402)
javax.swing.DefaultButtonModel.setPressed(DefaultButtonModel.java:259)
javax.swing.AbstractButton.doClick(AbstractButton.java:376)
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javax.swing.plaf.basic.BasicMenuItemUI$Handler.mouseReleased(BasicMenuItemUI.java:926)
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javax.swing.JComponent.processMouseEvent(JComponent.java:3324)
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java.awt.EventQueue.access$500(EventQueue.java:97)
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There was one disabled measurement, maybe that caused it?
 

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I am repeating exact same operations with the original mdat but cannot reproduce it either :(

However, there's this minor error in number of measurements in removel pop up:

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John,

IR Windows, Info window and Actions window all remember their screen positions after REW is restarted. Measurement actions and Trace Arithmetic windows do not. I know these're sub menu windows and probably that's the reason but if it's an easy fix, it could increase efficiency.
 

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When "Alignment Tool" was open, Overlays/GD/Actions, smoothing "Apply to selected" didn't smooth one of the selections (smoothed temporarily but unsmoothed back) until "Alignment Tool" window is closed.
 

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there's this minor error in number of measurements in removel pop up
I think the only way to have that happen would be to press remove on the Actions panel for a different graph which has only one measurement selected.
 

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When "Alignment Tool" was open, Overlays/GD/Actions, smoothing "Apply to selected" didn't smooth one of the selections (smoothed temporarily but unsmoothed back) until "Alignment Tool" window is closed.
The alignment tool also has a smoothing control for the selected measurements, so you are creating a conflict between two smoothing settings for the same measurements.
 

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The implementation is as StormAudio requested. 8 filters are set aside for the crossover options, which can require up to 4 biquads each.when
thanks for reply

when was that? i found a mismatch in Q values also
in rew eq the Q values changes in 0,25 and in the storm processor 0,05.
So maybe they have updated their eq, after you got their request.

Should i ask them abou that or do you have a good contact
 

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when was that? i found a mismatch in Q values also
in rew eq the Q values changes in 0,25 and in the storm processor 0,05.
So maybe they have updated their eq, after you got their request.

Should i ask them abou that or do you have a good contact
December 2018. Probably better you ask them as a customer.
 

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When EQ filters were deleted with the red cross button in EQ filter window:


REW V5.20.14 running Azul Systems, Inc. JRE 1.8.0_372 64-bit on Windows 10 Locale: language en, keyboard GB, windows-1252 at 96 DPI


Message:
java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException
Stack Trace:
sun.reflect.NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance0(Native Method)
sun.reflect.NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance(NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.java:62)
sun.reflect.DelegatingConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance(DelegatingConstructorAccessorImpl.java:45)
java.lang.reflect.Constructor.newInstance(Constructor.java:423)
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java.util.concurrent.ForkJoinTask.reportException(ForkJoinTask.java:677)
java.util.concurrent.ForkJoinTask.join(ForkJoinTask.java:720)
java.util.concurrent.ForkJoinPool.invoke(ForkJoinPool.java:2616)
A.A.A.A.C.A(Unknown Source)
A.A.A.A.C.A(Unknown Source)
roomeqwizard.OB$_B.A(y:1794)
roomeqwizard.OB$_B.run(y:1836)
java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:750)
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java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException
sun.reflect.NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance0(Native Method)
sun.reflect.NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance(NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.java:62)
sun.reflect.DelegatingConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance(DelegatingConstructorAccessorImpl.java:45)
java.lang.reflect.Constructor.newInstance(Constructor.java:423)
java.util.concurrent.ForkJoinTask.getThrowableException(ForkJoinTask.java:598)
java.util.concurrent.ForkJoinTask.reportException(ForkJoinTask.java:677)
java.util.concurrent.ForkJoinTask.join(ForkJoinTask.java:720)
A.A.A.A.C$_C.compute(Unknown Source)
A.A.A.A.C$_C.compute(Unknown Source)
java.util.concurrent.RecursiveAction.exec(RecursiveAction.java:189)
java.util.concurrent.ForkJoinTask.doExec(ForkJoinTask.java:289)
java.util.concurrent.ForkJoinPool$WorkQueue.runTask(ForkJoinPool.java:1056)
java.util.concurrent.ForkJoinPool.runWorker(ForkJoinPool.java:1692)
java.util.concurrent.ForkJoinWorkerThread.run(ForkJoinWorkerThread.java:175)
Caused by:
java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException: 32764
32764
roomeqwizard.YJ.B(y:2276)
roomeqwizard.YJ.A(y:2926)
roomeqwizard.MeasData.smoothFixedFraction(y:9302)
roomeqwizard.MeasData.smoothIIR(y:9119)
roomeqwizard.MeasData.smoothInPlace(y:9565)
roomeqwizard.OB$_B$1.A(y:654)
A.A.A.A.C$_C.compute(Unknown Source)
java.util.concurrent.RecursiveAction.exec(RecursiveAction.java:189)
java.util.concurrent.ForkJoinTask.doExec(ForkJoinTask.java:289)
java.util.concurrent.ForkJoinTask.doJoin(ForkJoinTask.java:389)
java.util.concurrent.ForkJoinTask.join(ForkJoinTask.java:719)
A.A.A.A.C$_C.compute(Unknown Source)
A.A.A.A.C$_C.compute(Unknown Source)
A.A.A.A.C$_C.compute(Unknown Source)
A.A.A.A.C$_C.compute(Unknown Source)
A.A.A.A.C$_C.compute(Unknown Source)
A.A.A.A.C$_C.compute(Unknown Source)
A.A.A.A.C$_C.compute(Unknown Source)
java.util.concurrent.RecursiveAction.exec(RecursiveAction.java:189)
java.util.concurrent.ForkJoinTask.doExec(ForkJoinTask.java:289)
java.util.concurrent.ForkJoinPool$WorkQueue.runTask(ForkJoinPool.java:1056)
java.util.concurrent.ForkJoinPool.runWorker(ForkJoinPool.java:1692)
java.util.concurrent.ForkJoinWorkerThread.run(ForkJoinWorkerThread.java:175)
 
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