FSAF (Fast subband adaptive filtering) measurement

Tikkidy

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OK so I'm going to take measurements with the microphone and the speaker in the chain. But I wonder why I am getting different results with the Stepped Sine and Log Sweep:

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Both taken with microphone 31.6cm from the 5.25" mid-woofer, in vented speaker of 7L. The fundamental in green shows the port tuning frequency of around 45Hz. When taking Sweeps and distortion, the log sine sweep is smoothed at 1/24th octave, I got that from the manual.

On the other hand, the stepped sine is not smoothed. So is the stepped sine more authentic?
After all, the stepped sine seems to reject noise better and can resolve harmonics below the noise floor.

But then the log sweep looks smoother from 2KHz upwards My gate is 9ms, but I thought this only affects the SPL & Phase view... . Is this the result of graphical antialiasing? Or something else?
 
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John Mulcahy

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When taking Sweeps and distortion, the log sine sweep is smoothed at 1/24th octave, I got that from the manual.
Sweep distortion results have 1/24 octave smoothing. Distortion results can be affected by driver temperature (and prior motion of the driver) and hence by the history of the signals the driver has seen.
 

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OK I'm with you.

What about just the frequency response?


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Does the 10ms gate create a smoother appearance eg. 2KHz to 10KHz?

Which one is more authentic?
 

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Does the 10ms gate create a smoother appearance
Yes, that's why it says "Freq. resolution 100.00 Hz" below your 10 ms right window setting.

Which one is more authentic?
Meaning what? If you only want the driver response and not room contributions you would need to window out reflections and/or measure in an environment free of reflections and probably measure with the mic a lot closer than your "31.6 cm" annotation indicates. The stepped measurements can't exclude the effects of reflections, but again measuring a lot closer would help.
 

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Authentic being true to the original. I'm guessing all these measurements are just estimates of the true frequency response because they're affected by room reflections.

So am I correct then in understanding that a 100Hz resolution means that there are really only 10 data points between 2KHz and 3Khz then? And between 500Hz and 2KHz (2 octave span) only 15 data points? So the Farina exponential sweep shows a smoother response by very nature of Sweep, not because of any graphical interpolation or anti-aliasing by REW. Meanwhile the stepped sine shows a less smooth response due room reflections.

Certainly, I can move the mic closer to get more signal and less room, perhaps to the diameter of the driver cone?

I'm proceeding with caution because, you know, GIGO. When I can get a close match with frequency response with stepped sine and Sweep, then I'll do FSAF and we can the compare all three!
 

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So am I correct then in understanding that a 100Hz resolution means that there are really only 10 data points between 2KHz and 3Khz then?
Absolutely not. It is more like applying a smoothing filter that is 100 Hz wide to a set of data with points every few tenths of a Hz.

Certainly, moving the mic closer helps, perhaps to the diameter of the driver cone?
Depends what you are trying to achieve. For low frequencies it would be common to do a "near field measurement". Results are valid to approx 11 kHz/effective cone diameter in cm, measurement distance not more than effective diameter in cm/20. For higher frequencies measuring distance would depend on whether you are trying to measure the combined effect of multiple drivers or a single driver. For single drivers common would be to place the driver in a large baffle and measure at 1m, with the measurement setup as far as possible from all room surfaces or outside at height.
 
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