V5.20.14 early access build

[sm52]

In recent builds it reverts to unsmoothed, previously it kept 1/48. I can do either and don't mind which, happy to hear what folk think makes most sense.

I'm in favor of going back to unsmoothed.

 

[onlyoneme]

I've lost all my settings in REW. Is it possible that a Java update would do that?

 

[John Mulcahy]

I've lost all my settings in REW. Is it possible that a Java update would do that?

Unlikely. Are you using file-based preferences or (assuming Windows) registry-based? You can see info about how and where preferences are stored in the Welcome help topic in the application.

 

[Lowclock]

I have added mouse wheel support for the next build.

Thank you!

I can't reproduce that but I have added some mitigations for the next build.

I'm not surprised. Without one of those Logitech free-wheeling mouse wheels it's probably nearly impossible to spam inputs hard enough to trigger it. If I turn it back to not free-wheel like a normal mouse I can't make it happen.

There isn't a way for REW to know whether the 1/48 smoothing was applied manually or imposed by the 96 PPO log spaced conversion that happens as part of applying the FDW. 1/48 octave smoothing is as close to unsmoothed as 96 PPO data can get, if FDW is removed REW may revert to a linear spaced measurement and then there is a decision about whether to keep the 1/48 octave smoothing or remove smoothing. In recent builds it reverts to unsmoothed, previously it kept 1/48. I can do either and don't mind which, happy to hear what folk think makes most sense.

Since you can't even remove 1/48 while FDW is active and it also adds the FDW tag to the measurement, I almost want to say it shouldn't even be labeled as smoothed in the first place. Smoothing is a purely a visual thing for the user (and EQ targeting I guess), and FDW actually has an impact on arithmetic and stuff, so it might be better to leave them independent even if it meant toggling 1/48 on an FDW measurement were to effectively not do anything at all. I'm not aware of any other way to force a measurement to be 96 PPO or vice versa, so I don't know if or how important it is to make that distinction. I could be totally off base here, just speaking from my limited understanding as a user.

I can't seem to finish a post without adding another problem to the pile, so here's one more! In open file dialogs, if you double click on the actual name of a file like the red dot in this picture,

the file opens as expected.

However, if you double click in a part that isn't occupied by text, like in this picture,

the dialog box closes but it doesn't actually open the file. I'm pretty sure this isn't your fault and I'm not sure how much you could really do about it besides maybe just making it automatically pop the dialog back up again if this happens, if you can even discriminate between this and someone just purposely closing it. You'll have to forgive my art skills since the snipping tool doesn't capture mouse cursors.

 

[serko70]

I am pro turning back to unsmoothed when fdw is removed.


This one popped up during "measurement from file" right after a sweep file was selected (ea54):


REW V5.20.14 running Azul Systems, Inc. JRE 1.8.0_362 64-bit on Windows 10 Locale: language en, keyboard GB, windows-1252 at 96 DPI


Message:
java.lang.NullPointerException

Spoiler: Stack trace

Stack Trace:
roomeqwizard.cA.K(y:2087)
roomeqwizard.cA.Ö(y:3025)
roomeqwizard.cA.v(y:2882)
roomeqwizard.cA$42.actionPerformed(y:3013)
javax.swing.AbstractButton.fireActionPerformed(AbstractButton.java:2022)
javax.swing.AbstractButton$Handler.actionPerformed(AbstractButton.java:2348)
javax.swing.DefaultButtonModel.fireActionPerformed(DefaultButtonModel.java:402)
javax.swing.DefaultButtonModel.setPressed(DefaultButtonModel.java:259)
javax.swing.plaf.basic.BasicButtonListener.mouseReleased(BasicButtonListener.java:262)
java.awt.AWTEventMulticaster.mouseReleased(AWTEventMulticaster.java:289)
java.awt.Component.processMouseEvent(Component.java:6539)
javax.swing.JComponent.processMouseEvent(JComponent.java:3324)
java.awt.Component.processEvent(Component.java:6304)
java.awt.Container.processEvent(Container.java:2239)
java.awt.Component.dispatchEventImpl(Component.java:4889)
java.awt.Container.dispatchEventImpl(Container.java:2297)
java.awt.Component.dispatchEvent(Component.java:4711)
java.awt.LightweightDispatcher.retargetMouseEvent(Container.java:4904)
java.awt.LightweightDispatcher.processMouseEvent(Container.java:4535)
java.awt.LightweightDispatcher.dispatchEvent(Container.java:4476)
java.awt.Container.dispatchEventImpl(Container.java:2283)
java.awt.Window.dispatchEventImpl(Window.java:2746)
java.awt.Component.dispatchEvent(Component.java:4711)
java.awt.EventQueue.dispatchEventImpl(EventQueue.java:760)
java.awt.EventQueue.access$500(EventQueue.java:97)
java.awt.EventQueue$3.run(EventQueue.java:709)
java.awt.EventQueue$3.run(EventQueue.java:703)
java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
java.security.ProtectionDomain$JavaSecurityAccessImpl.doIntersectionPrivilege(ProtectionDomain.java:74)
java.security.ProtectionDomain$JavaSecurityAccessImpl.doIntersectionPrivilege(ProtectionDomain.java:84)
java.awt.EventQueue$4.run(EventQueue.java:733)
java.awt.EventQueue$4.run(EventQueue.java:731)
java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
java.security.ProtectionDomain$JavaSecurityAccessImpl.doIntersectionPrivilege(ProtectionDomain.java:74)
java.awt.EventQueue.dispatchEvent(EventQueue.java:730)
java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpOneEventForFilters(EventDispatchThread.java:205)
java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForFilter(EventDispatchThread.java:116)
java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForFilter(EventDispatchThread.java:109)
java.awt.WaitDispatchSupport$2.run(WaitDispatchSupport.java:190)
java.awt.WaitDispatchSupport$4.run(WaitDispatchSupport.java:235)
java.awt.WaitDispatchSupport$4.run(WaitDispatchSupport.java:233)
java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
java.awt.WaitDispatchSupport.enter(WaitDispatchSupport.java:233)
java.awt.Dialog.show(Dialog.java:1084)
java.awt.Component.show(Component.java:1671)
java.awt.Component.setVisible(Component.java:1623)
java.awt.Window.setVisible(Window.java:1014)
java.awt.Dialog.setVisible(Dialog.java:1005)
roomeqwizard.bE.setVisible(y:1959)
roomeqwizard.cA.setVisible(y:3482)
roomeqwizard.YC.A(y:2977)
roomeqwizard.QE$24.actionPerformed(y:1157)
javax.swing.AbstractButton.fireActionPerformed(AbstractButton.java:2022)
javax.swing.AbstractButton$Handler.actionPerformed(AbstractButton.java:2348)
javax.swing.DefaultButtonModel.fireActionPerformed(DefaultButtonModel.java:402)
javax.swing.DefaultButtonModel.setPressed(DefaultButtonModel.java:259)
javax.swing.plaf.basic.BasicButtonListener.mouseReleased(BasicButtonListener.java:262)
java.awt.AWTEventMulticaster.mouseReleased(AWTEventMulticaster.java:289)
java.awt.Component.processMouseEvent(Component.java:6539)
javax.swing.JComponent.processMouseEvent(JComponent.java:3324)
java.awt.Component.processEvent(Component.java:6304)
java.awt.Container.processEvent(Container.java:2239)
java.awt.Component.dispatchEventImpl(Component.java:4889)
java.awt.Container.dispatchEventImpl(Container.java:2297)
java.awt.Component.dispatchEvent(Component.java:4711)
java.awt.LightweightDispatcher.retargetMouseEvent(Container.java:4904)
java.awt.LightweightDispatcher.processMouseEvent(Container.java:4535)
java.awt.LightweightDispatcher.dispatchEvent(Container.java:4476)
java.awt.Container.dispatchEventImpl(Container.java:2283)
java.awt.Window.dispatchEventImpl(Window.java:2746)
java.awt.Component.dispatchEvent(Component.java:4711)
java.awt.EventQueue.dispatchEventImpl(EventQueue.java:760)
java.awt.EventQueue.access$500(EventQueue.java:97)
java.awt.EventQueue$3.run(EventQueue.java:709)
java.awt.EventQueue$3.run(EventQueue.java:703)
java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
java.security.ProtectionDomain$JavaSecurityAccessImpl.doIntersectionPrivilege(ProtectionDomain.java:74)
java.security.ProtectionDomain$JavaSecurityAccessImpl.doIntersectionPrivilege(ProtectionDomain.java:84)
java.awt.EventQueue$4.run(EventQueue.java:733)
java.awt.EventQueue$4.run(EventQueue.java:731)
java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
java.security.ProtectionDomain$JavaSecurityAccessImpl.doIntersectionPrivilege(ProtectionDomain.java:74)
java.awt.EventQueue.dispatchEvent(EventQueue.java:730)
java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpOneEventForFilters(EventDispatchThread.java:205)
java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForFilter(EventDispatchThread.java:116)
java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForHierarchy(EventDispatchThread.java:105)
java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEvents(EventDispatchThread.java:101)
java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEvents(EventDispatchThread.java:93)
java.awt.EventDispatchThread.run(EventDispatchThread.java:82)

 

[onlyoneme]

Unlikely. Are you using file-based preferences or (assuming Windows) registry-based? You can see info about how and where preferences are stored in the Welcome help topic in the application.

It's registry based. I had a Java runtime update and when I've opened REW after I've realized all my settings had been reverted to defaults. I didn't do that intentionally.
Is there any way to restore my settings? HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\JavaSoft\Prefs\room eq wizard seems to contain only current settings.

 

[John Mulcahy]

However, if you double click in a part that isn't occupied by text, like in this picture,

the dialog box closes but it doesn't actually open the file

I don't see that behaviour. Nothing happens if I double click on an area of the filename that isn't text.

 

[John Mulcahy]

It's registry based. I had a Java runtime update and when I've opened REW after I've realized all my settings had been reverted to defaults. I didn't do that intentionally.
Is there any way to restore my settings? HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\JavaSoft\Prefs\room eq wizard seems to contain only current settings.

The only way I can think of for that to happen is if the JavaSoft prefs key was removed somehow during the update. I've never seen that though.

 

[John Mulcahy]

This one popped up during "measurement from file" right after a sweep file was selected (ea54)

Thanks. I have fixed that for the next build. In the meantime make sure the mode is not sequential before you select file playback.

 

[Lowclock]

I don't see that behaviour. Nothing happens if I double click on an area of the filename that isn't text.

It looks like it only happens with the first file in the list, but it's very consistent for me on the latest Windows 10 and REW.

 

[John Mulcahy]

It looks like it only happens with the first file in the list, but it's very consistent for me on the latest Windows 10 and REW.

Not for me, also latest Win 10. Perhaps it's a feature of your mouse

 

[thothsong]

Not for me, also latest Win 10.

Doesn't happen for me either, latest Win 10.

 

[G29]

Question about "Export / Export Impulse Response as WAV".

The highest number of samples offered to export is 131,072, yet sample rates offered are up to 1,536 kHz.

That is @ 3 seconds for 44.1kHz and @ 3/4 of a second for 176.4kHz.

Is it possible to have higher number of sample options to match higher sample rates (e.g. 262,144) ?

I am trying to use a DRC program and it is complaining that the #samples in the file is less than the sample rate.
UPDATE: Got past this complaint by tweaking input settings.

64K (65,536) taps at 44.1kHz is equivalent to
128K (131,072) taps at 88.2kHz and
256K (262,144) taps at 176.4kHz from my novice understanding.

I think RePhase offers up to 512K taps.

Thanks much.

 

[Lowclock]

Not for me, also latest Win 10. Perhaps it's a feature of your mouse

John please stop adding special cases that make REW do weird stuff only on my desktop!

 

[dotnet]

I’m trying to use the multiple measurements feature to take a series of measurements of two channels.

If I set it up like this:

then I get 3 measurements of the left channel. The right channel is ignored.

If I do it this way:

then I get one measurement each of the left and right channel. The repeats are ignored.

Is this the intended behaviour? How would I take three measurements each of the left and right channel (six measurements all up)?

 

[John Mulcahy]

The highest number of samples offered to export is 131,072, yet sample rates offered are up to 1,536 kHz

That will be because that was the length of the impulse response. For longer responses at higher sample rates use longer sweeps.

 

[John Mulcahy]

Is this the intended behaviour? How would I take three measurements each of the left and right channel (six measurements all up)?

Yes, that is the intended behaviour. The available options are a single measurement of one channel, repeated measurements of one channel or a single measurement of a sequence of channels. For your case easiest would be to do 3 repeats of left then 3 repeats of right.

 

[dotnet]

Ok, thanks.

 

[fireanimal101]

Under RTA Stepped Measurement Silence Interval, if you adjust with the arrows it throws an exception, sometimes you can direct type the number in and its fine, other times it will throw the exception

 

[John Mulcahy]

Thanks, I have fixed that for the next build.

 

[John Mulcahy]

Builds updated today with these changes:

• Changed: Expanded frequency range for setting LF rise and HF fall in Target settings
• Fixed: Scale IR data gain spinner ignored mouse wheel
• Fixed: ETC smoothing could get stuck in a loop if a very rapid series of changes was applied
• Fixed: Null pointer exception if selecting file playback when sequential measurement mode had been selected
• Fixed: Merge B to A did not work properly if the A measurement had a high start frequency
• Fixed: Merge B to A was affected by the "Show response below window" setting
• Fixed: Class cast exception from stepped sine silence spinner

 

[thothsong]

I have a file with just an LFE trace, with a timing reference. Initial state:
IR start time: -0.2292 ms
Cumulative IR shift: 0.0111 ms
I click Align IR start, and it changes to:
IR start time: -0.0208 ms
Cumulative IR shift: -0.2180 ms
I click Align IR start again, and it changes again, to:
IR start time: 0.0000 ms
Cumulative IR shift: -0.2389 ms
Is it not supposed to be idempotent?
I then click on Time align, and it changes to:
IR start time: 0.0000 ms
Cumulative IR shift: -0.2373 ms
I then click on Align IR start again, and it doesn't change. Is not supposed to?
When I try the above with a non-LFE trace, it seems to work as I expect it to.

 

[John Mulcahy]

The IR start time has sample interval resolution, it finds the sample which first exceeds the threshold. If the previous start time was at a fractional sample position the new alignment will slightly change the sample values, which may shift the start time by one sample if the rate of change near the start is low, which it often is for a low bandwidth source.

 

[serko70]

The IR start time has sample interval resolution, it finds the sample which first exceeds the threshold. If the previous start time was at a fractional sample position the new alignment will slightly change the sample values, which may shift the start time by one sample if the rate of change near the start is low, which it often is for a low bandwidth source.

and when " Align t=0 to a sampling instant" is ticked in preferences?

 

[John Mulcahy]

when " Align t=0 to a sampling instant" is ticked in preferences?

Per the help, "If Align t=0 to a sampling instant is selected any change to the impulse response t=0 position will include any fractional sample shift necessary to ensure t=0 occurs at a sampling instant". Since the IR start is picked from a sample value it is already at a sampling instant and will not need any fractional sample shift.